Sleep Apnia

[facthunter]

There's hardly ANY medicines that don't have side effects. Like damaging kidneys. Nev.

[red750]

From Forbes Health web page:

 

[willedoo]

2 hours ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

I was carted off on account of having bpm over 100. They called it fibrillation and they worked at getting the figure well below 100. It's about 60 now, which I think is still a bit fast.

At our exercise group, there is a "defibrillator machine" which I can't get them to do a session on. They say that the thing talks and tells you what to do. I say"how do you know when to use it? to which they reply " the other guy is unconscious..  how obvious is that?"

So I dunno. But they did ( in Horsham) talk about using one on me, and I never went out to it. Maybe the Horsham machine is different, I dunno again

And, OME, I have not yet had the test results back properly, so I don't know what sort of mask to try out. I did notice there is a medicine  you can take, and I wonder if that may be better ? It has similar end results to the CPAP machine, but of course does not use "natural " methods.

Fibrillation is the heart beating  irregularly and often fast as well. If it's beating regularly but raised over 100 I think it's classed  as tachycardia.

[spacesailor]

Tachycardia! .

My neighbours sister was rushed to hospital , day-before yesterday with high

Heartbeat . He came home about two-ish ( from midnight ) , only to have to collect

Her around  six-ish , bad night for him . but his sister is OK .

red's graphs got me as " top condition athlete " . ( 45 bpm ) . LoL

spacesailor

 

 

[red750]

Tachycardia over 100bpm,bradycardia less than 60 bpm.I had bradycardia, 30 bpm, in 2011. The heart is not pumping enough blood to get the oxygen to the brain. I collapsed in the front hallway. Ambo to hospital, pacemaker fitted. The cardiologist described it as being like an ignition spark current not reaching the sparkplug.When you collapse,your head comes down level with your heart,blood flows,and you wake up.

[old man emu]

3 hours ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

I did notice there is a medicine  you can take, and I wonder if that may be better ?

Quite honestly, I wouldn't consider taking any chemical into my body that wasn't the product of the food chain. However, I do take a blood pressure medication at a relatively low dose, because I've been told that once on it, you can't come off.

 

Having said that, I won't give up my CPAP machine. Think about it. Sleep apnoea is caused by your muscles at the top of your windpipe collapsing, mainly due to aging. The CPAP machine is basically an expired air resuscitation machine that blows those muscles open so that your body can give itself a lungful. No man-made chemicals involved. All you need to do is to keep the mask and tube disinfected and the small air filter in the machine clean. 

[pmccarthy]

I have had AF for at least seven years. They tried drugs and electric shocks but it didn’t help so now I do nothing and I think it is OK. Just don’t have much ability to jog or run.

[old man emu]

1 hour ago, pmccarthy said:

so now I do nothing and I think it is OK

I think that you are mad! If your aerobic condition is below par, it will affect the rest of your body. Don't forget that your brain cells are dying simply due to your age. Why accelerate the mortality by depriving the living of oxygen at teh very time your body is cleansing itself of the detritus of the previous day? 

 

Octave might be an EV zealot, but I'm definitely a CPAP zealot.  

[pmccarthy]

3 hours ago, old man emu said:

I think that you are mad! If your aerobic condition is below par, it will affect the rest of your body. Don't forget that your brain cells are dying simply due to your age. Why accelerate the mortality by depriving the living of oxygen at teh very time your body is cleansing itself of the detritus of the previous day? 

 

Octave might be an EV zealot, but I'm definitely a CPAP zealot.  

Sorry I may have misled. I use and love my CPAP for apnea. It’s just that I stopped taking medication for the AF because it made no difference, the AF is 100% of the time permanent. I would encourage anyone to use CPAP if they need it.

[old man emu]

7 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

the AF is 100% of the time permanent

Sorry, can you tell me what AF is, please?

[octave]

AF is atrial fibrillation 

 

 

Edited May 26 by octave

[facthunter]

At it's worst the blood doesn't flow.  Have they suggested a Pacemaker? Nev

[Bruce Tuncks]

Nope nev, they clearly don't think its bad enough. I did ask them about a pacemaker, and they said " maybe one day..."

They didn't even want to use the defibrillator, just gave me drugs for a few days and then they sent me home.

With respect to the cpap machine, they ( a pharmacy in Naracoorte) had the woman in charge of it not show up the last time, ( I want to try one out by renting first ) so I looked up the internet instead and that is where I found the stuff about drugs. The drugs work about 70% of the time, about the same as the cpap machine.

At Horsham, they told me that the risk from AF is the agitation at the top of the heart can lead to a stroke.

[facthunter]

Turbulence in the blood flow causes clots and the arteries to your brain are the first in line. (Carotid) I'm on Clopidogrel (Plavix) for safety. sticky  stuff that stops clots forming  Talk to a cardiologist. Nev

[nomadpete]

Nev,

Just to add a quick insight to the crossover between medical care and the medical industry....

 

A while back, I had an 'episode'. Possible stroke. The hospital admitted me and did a CAT scan and said "It doesn't look like a bleed, but we cannot be sure until we do a MRI. Come back in a couple of weeks for an MRI and meantime take a quad dose of clopidogrel and stay on it".

I went home. A month later an MRI confirmed residual clot signs from a bleed.

The neurologist assured me this was not technically a stroke because it was at the cerebral cortex, therefore not within the brain.

 

In spite of anticaogulants, the bleed fortunately stopped by itself. Of course the potential for anticoagulants worsening a bleed was brushed aside. In reality it had the potential to finish me off the next day.

 

But it goes to show that the experts are not always right. And sometimes the most important thing is to get the patient out of the hospital.

[red750]

Speaking of MRI's many problems are now located using MRI's. I can't have them due to the pacemaker. I can't go through those metal detectors.

I have a card to show the operators to let me bypass.

[octave]

13 minutes ago, red750 said:

Speaking of MRI's many problems are now located using MRI's. I can't have them due to the pacemaker.

I have a pacemaker and it was recently replaced. The pacemaker model number is MRI VR DF4  The MRI part denotes MRI-safe    https://europe.medtronic.com/xd-en/healthcare-professionals/products/cardiac-rhythm/icd-systems/mirro-mri.html  

 

I can also go through airport security.

[old man emu]

Are we connecting two different conditions by talking about heart and blood conditions in conjunction with sleep apnoea?

 

The only connection I can see between sleep apnoea and blood is that by using a CPAP machine we are pretty much assured that our oxygen saturation will be above the desire 95% all the time we are sleeping. That's the time when the brain is rejuvenating itself after dealing with all the sensations it receives during the time we are awake. Without lots of oxygen, our metabolism in all its parts is not what it should be. It seems to follow that this lack of oxygen would have detrimental effects on the organs over time.

[nomadpete]

5 minutes ago, old man emu said:

Are we connecting two different conditions by talking about heart and blood conditions in conjunction with sleep apnoea?

Clearly they are inter related. The CPAP won't fix poor O2 to the brain if the heart and lung combo isn't up to scratch. Likewise good heart n lung operation itself doesn't guarantee  good O2 to the brain if the breathing passages have a problem.

 

You cant blame the carby if the air filter is blocked.

[spacesailor]

Talking of " mri "s .it seems they are not bulk billed .

Even though that same machine is used for " trace  " xray's , that are bulk billed .

spacesailor

[facthunter]

Make sure you drink water during the night despite it being inconvenient by having to pee a few times.. If you do  a sugar test you won't get the blood drop to form . Your blood goes too thick and that's a danger. Aspirin is a blood thinner. I'm only on a minimal dose of Plavix and never had atrial fibrillation. IF you "Puff" when walking up a hill or stairs see a Heart specialist. Any chest 'heaviness" or pain that goes away when you sit and rest should be looked at.. A poor experience at a hospital is not a reason to see it as the place to be IF you've had  or are having, a stroke or Heart attack. The quicker you are at getting there, the better your chance of surviving.   Nev

[spacesailor]

So ! .

Don't call an Ambulance. 

Almost 40 minutes for a 7 minute car trip . to our hospital . For stroke victim. 

My last ambulance trip , almost an hour . After the " emergency " phone call .

( overdose on first blood pressure reduction tablet.  5mg script 10mg delivered) .

spacesailor

[facthunter]

Advantages of an ambulance is faster ( siren and flashing lights) and you get treated as soon as they arrive and they are ready for you  when you arrive at the Hospital. NOT good advice space.

[red750]

29 minutes ago, facthunter said:

ambulance is faster ( siren and flashing lights) and you get treated as soon as they arrive and they are ready for you 

Wait an hour or more after the call if they come at all. then sit ramping for 2 - 3 hours. 

[spacesailor]

That " Ambulance " didn't do any good for my neighbour. 

According to. The husband,  90 minutes elapsed,  from pick up .

To the doctor saying  " brain dead " . 

spacesailor