VERY OFF TOPIC. . . Immigration in Europe. .

[fly_tornado]

back in the 80s they used to call this "going postal" because all these mass workplace shootings kept on happening in the USPS.

 

But I respect your right to call this "muslim terrorism" because the media want to report the facts in the story as part of a narrative about Muslim terrorism.

 

 

[Bruce]

I reckon the RSL had many facets depending on which branch. My father in law was senior in a branch later in life, and he used to say the following needed to be lined up and shot:

 

Men with beards, men who ate "dago food" ie spaghetti, men with tattoos, and drivers who annoyed him on the road. He didn't actually shoot anybody in real life.

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Meanwhile at Casa Merkel..

 

Germans Stock Up on Weapons for Self-Defence

 

The scramble to acquire weapons comes amid an indisputable nationwide spike in migrant-driven crime, including rapes of German women and girls on a shocking scale, as well as physical assaults, stabbings, home invasions, robberies and burglaries — in cities and towns throughout the country.

 

German authorities, however, are going to great lengths to argue

 

that the German citizenry's sudden interest in self-defence has nothing whatsoever to do with mass migration into the country, despite ample evidence to the contrary. ( More appeasing media bullcrap )

 

The spike in violent crimes committed by migrants has been

 

corroborated by a leaked confidential police report, which reveals that a record-breaking 38,000 asylum seekers were accused of committing crimes in the country in 2014. Analysts believe this figure — which works out to more than 100 crimes a day — is only a fragment: many crimes are not reported.

 

"Anyone who asks for the reasons for the surge in weapons purchases encounters silence." — Süddeutsche Zeitung

 

http://www.gatestoneinstitute....

 

Feel the enrichment, liebling!

 

Things are getting a little worse in Sweden too. . . .ask Pat Condell. . .a VERY popular commentator in the UK. . . . .( Scares the crap out of me. . .my youngest Daughter and her partner are going to Sweden on Christmas Eve for a few days. . . . . )

 

Pat Condell - Sweden Goes Insane - YouTube

 

 

[willedoo]

I don't think Angela Merkin really knew what she was getting into when she invited everyone to come and live in Germany.

 

Interesting reading in the article that Germany has some of the tightest weapons laws in Europe. Not as tight as ours by the look of it, as they say that non-lethal self defence weapons are legal there. Not so here.

 

 

[winsor68]

Big rise in German attacks on migrant homes in 2015

 

Maybe it is the migrants buying weapons to defend themselves against home grown terrorists...?

 

http://www.dw.com/en/attacks-on-refugees-in-germany-double-in-three-months/a-18833991

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34487562

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/14/world/europe/germany-migrants-attacks-asylum-seekers-backlash.html?_r=0

 

 

[Yenn]

Bruce. Glad I didn't meet your father in law. My only saving grace is no tattoos. Possibly being an old soldier may lead him to use only a blank.

 

I reckon he and I could have got on OK.

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Big rise in German attacks on migrant homes in 2015Maybe it is the migrants buying weapons to defend themselves against home grown terrorists...?

 

http://www.dw.com/en/attacks-on-refugees-in-germany-double-in-three-months/a-18833991

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34487562

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/14/world/europe/germany-migrants-attacks-asylum-seekers-backlash.html?_r=0

Could well be mate. . .there's always more than one side of any story. Just seen a pic of a blazing mosque in San Bernadino . . .media describes it as a "Radical" mosque. . . . burnt down by locals. . . ( I'll see if I can find a link to that one. . .B4 my "Edit" times out. . . )

 

Found it,. . . Warning. . .it looks like a rabid redneck website. . . . .and nowhere does it say that the burning building is in San Bernadino. . . . . "Don't believe everything you may read on the internet" ( Winston S. Churchill )

 

http://bit.ly/1YwEfmW

 

 

[facthunter]

I heard they were making great inroads with malaria in some moslem countries, but it was just a new attack on mosque quitters. Nev

 

 

[Phil Perry]

I heard they were making great inroads with malaria in some moslem countries, but it was just a new attack on mosque quitters. Nev

G R O A N . . . . . . .

 

[ATTACH]47806._xfImport[/ATTACH] Oh Bugger. . . . . . . .

 

[Phil Perry]

Bruce. Glad I didn't meet your father in law. My only saving grace is no tattoos. Possibly being an old soldier may lead him to use only a blank.I reckon he and I could have got on OK.

Thanks for the heads up Yenn. . . .now I'll have to watch out for illegal gimmegrants with tattoos. . . . . .

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Christmas funnies. . . . Got this one in an email yesterday from my mate Nige at the German Shepherd rescue centre inWolverhamptonistan. . . . not sure what you'd call this . . .

 

[ATTACH]47808._xfImport[/ATTACH] A . . .Barkha ? ? ? ? ?

 

[Phil Perry]

ANYHOW,. . . . .A VERY HAPPY / MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL MY FRIENDS ON THE RF FORUM. . . . .

 

From miserable, cold, windy, wet, mostly flooded Britain. . . .

 

[ATTACH]47809._xfImport[/ATTACH] ?

 

[Gnarly Gnu]

Happy new year from your huge local gang of marauding refugees:

 

60+ women assaulted or molested in Cologne.

 

If this is going to plan it was a bad plan, a very bad plan as Andy Griffiths would say.

 

Well thankfully the police will sort it out. Or maybe not.

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Happy new year from your huge local gang of marauding refugees:

60+ women assaulted or molested in Cologne.

 

If this is going to plan it was a bad plan, a very bad plan as Andy Griffiths would say.

 

Well thankfully the police will sort it out. Or maybe not.

 

Had to giggle a lot at the Mainstream German media response to that one GG,. . . . "But the perpetrators were NOT recently arrived muslims, most of them had been in the country for over a year. . . . . ." So that makes it allright then does it ? ? ? ? The German Government has passed legislation banning any media from reporting the truth about what is actually happening. . . . very odd isn't it ? Why would that be d'yer think. . .?

 

The German Police are complicit in the "DENIAL" . . . .by refusing to release ANY information on the nationalities of the handful who were actually ARRESTED for these crimes. . . . . I have a Pommie friend who currently lives in Sweden,. . . .which is now renown as the rape capital of the world,. . .but their MSM AND THEIR POLICE. . . are equally complicit in full denial as to who is carrying out all these rapes. . . . . . He won't allow his Wife nor Daughters to go anywhere unless he is with them, and carrying his pump action shotgun. . . .there is an awful lot going on in Europe that you Aussies may be blissfully unaware of Sir.

 

Integration. . .don't make me larf !

 

 

[Gnarly Gnu]

Winsor is either amused that so many women got molested in Cologne or he refuses to believe it actually happened.

 

 

[pmccarthy]

Eu de Cologne reminds me of the bloke who was buying some deodorant. The shop girl asked "Do you want the ball type?" and he replied "No, just under the arms thanks.

 

 

[winsor68]

Winsor is either amused that so many women got molested in Cologne or he refuses to believe it actually happened.

"Most of the crimes reported to police were robberies."

 

A British woman visiting Cologne said fireworks had been thrown at her group by men who spoke neither German nor English. "They were trying to hug us, kiss us!" she told the BBC.

 

Is it any wonder? Given he anti Muslim sentiment being widely expressed I am not surprised by the report.

 

Even funnier...every report gives differing numbers... hmmm. It seems people are just making anything up and reporting higher and higher numbers... I wonder why???

 

 

[fly_tornado]

[ozbear]

Happy new year from your huge local gang of marauding refugees:

60+ women assaulted or molested in Cologne.

 

If this is going to plan it was a bad plan, a very bad plan as Andy Griffiths would say.

 

Well thankfully the police will sort it out. Or maybe not.

I think Angela's heart is in the right place but not her brain .

 

 

[Marty_d]

"Most of the crimes reported to police were robberies."A British woman visiting Cologne said fireworks had been thrown at her group by men who spoke neither German nor English. "They were trying to hug us, kiss us!" she told the BBC.

 

Is it any wonder? Given he anti Muslim sentiment being widely expressed I am not surprised by the report.

 

Even funnier...every report gives differing numbers... hmmm. It seems people are just making anything up and reporting higher and higher numbers... I wonder why???

I've been in Berlin at New Year's Eve, 2006. It was like a war zone with fireworks - idiots were even setting rockets off inside a train station. I'd be surprised if the number of serious injuries from fireworks didn't far exceed the serious sexual assaults in ANY given year.

 

I'm not downplaying the seriousness of sexual assaults, but to automatically make assumptions about the background of the perpetrators ("from appearance were largely from the north African or Arab world") THEN link that to the large influx of refugees in order to push some anti-immigration barrow, is a stretch too far.

 

Every so often news pops up of Australian men going to countries like Thailand or the Philippines to sexually prey on children. If it was reported like this, it'd be like saying "All Australian tourists are paedophiles, we shouldn't let them into our country".

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Yeah. . .It'll all sort itself out in the fullness of time. . . when everyone is fully integrated and intermarried and happy. Heck, . . .we'll all wonder what on Earth all the fuss was about.

 

In the meantme I keep telling my scared European dwelling friends. . . .DON'T PANIC Mr. Mainwaring. . . . .

 

 

[Phil Perry]

I've been in Berlin at New Year's Eve, 2006. It was like a war zone with fireworks - idiots were even setting rockets off inside a train station. I'd be surprised if the number of serious injuries from fireworks didn't far exceed the serious sexual assaults in ANY given year.

I'm not downplaying the seriousness of sexual assaults, but to automatically make assumptions about the background of the perpetrators ("from appearance were largely from the north African or Arab world") THEN link that to the large influx of refugees in order to push some anti-immigration barrow, is a stretch too far.

 

Every so often news pops up of Australian men going to countries like Thailand or the Philippines to sexually prey on children. If it was reported like this, it'd be like saying "All Australian tourists are paedophiles, we shouldn't let them into our country".

D'yer remember that old song Marty. . . .What a difference a day makes. . . . . . Translate that into "What a difference nine years - and an additional 750,000 immigrants makes"

 

I think if you visited Berlin NOW ( I was there last week BTW ) you might have a "slightly" altered opinion after you'd had to barge through hundreds of them outside every railway station . . .but whatever,. . .I won't fall out with you becaue of your opinion,. . . I will put this down to honest lack of real information. . . .you may well not like onion rings cooked with kalamari and cumin either, . . .but I'd still love you anyway,. . because we're all united by a common cause. . . .

 

Let's just leave it at the fact that you are,. . .at the moment, anyway,. . insulated from what is really, actually happening up here. . . .and think yourself extremely lucky that it isn't. . . . down there mate.. . . ie,. . .even if you think I'm a racist cnut. . . .I will still consider you as a mate,. . .!

 

 

[fly_tornado]

PHIL,,, WE NEED,,, TO RAISE THE VAT TO 50% TODAY, NOT TOMORROW, RIGHT NOW

 

funny thing is every year in Paris they have riots on NYE and every year it misses the racist radar

 

hear you go phil, the future of london

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30653784

 

 

[Phil Perry]

PHIL,,, WE NEED,,, TO RAISE THE VAT TO 50% TODAY, NOT TOMORROW, RIGHT NOW

funny thing is every year in Paris they have riots on NYE and every year it misses the racist radar

 

hear you go phil, the future of london

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30653784

Phil,. . . .it's actually "Here" you go, mate,. . . . .just sayin. . . . "Here" ( where you are ) or "Hear" ( listen to what I say ) or "Heir" ( the person who inherits the fortune, but in this case,. . .you don't sound the "HAITCH" . . .SO IT IS PRONOUNCED " . . ."AIR" ) don't you just HATE fecking English ?. . .I do. . .too many words to describe a similar thing. . . .but I digress ( ?. . .I don't normally do that do I . . . .? ) ( welll DO I. . . . ? ? ? )

 

OK,. . .SO. . .what good would it be to increase Value Added Tax to 50% then mate ?. . . . it's set at 20% t the present time,. . .( GAWD. . .I don't even know why I'm replying to this ) . . . .VAT is a nefarious tax, as, when you think about it, is applied numerous times to a single product,. . .let's talk about baked beans,. . .NOW,. . .some English people think that "Beans on toast" is a quick and easy . . .but if they knew that when the tin was mined,. . .it was subject to VAT,. . .then when the tin was converted into food cans,. . .it was subjected to VAT again. . .then when the empty tins were sold to the food manufacturers,. . .yeah,. . you guessed it,. . .they were subjected to VAT again. .

 

Then when Heinz filled the cans with beanz,. . .well,. .. yes,. .VAT again,. . . then the Beanz maker sold the tinzfullof beanz to the supermarket, . . .guess what. . .?. . .yep. . .VAT agaain. . .HOWEVER. . . . .when I go to the ALDI ( cheap German owned supermarket chain in the UK ) tobuy a tinnie of beanz,. . .guess what. . .NO VAT. . . . but it was OK, snce the \Government had already been paid 20% VAT FIVE FERKING TIMES before it was tipped onto your burnt bread. . . .

 

And another thing Phil,. . . . .

 

For Ferx sake do not trust ANYTHING you may reed on a BBC site of any description,. . .as that organization is run completely, top to botto by looney leftie beddwetting handwringing socialists,. . .who would not notice if a bus was up 'em mate. . . . . If you see BBC in the URL header,. . .you're wasting your time even looking at it,. . .you might save time by going to the bog and having a dump. . . .

 

Total Krapology . . . .

 

In my current capacity as an internet investigator ( level 2 ) at GCHQ here in Cheltenham,. . .I have access to an incredible amount of info . . .( You really WOULDN'T believe what I've seen ) and incredibly. . . . our bosses don't mind us talking about( SOME ) of this to the world and our friends, . . as it's all monitored anyhow. . . . and there are a lot of us doing it. . .. . Being a total patriot to the UK,. . .I would never reveal anything that might predjudice this country. . .and the boss must believe that as well. . . .Otherwise I'd have been shot by now ( ! )

 

Have a nice day. . . . .

 

Going back to the Dark Net now,. . .to see if I can sort out some other Leftie Non-Patriotic Barstards. . . . . .

 

Merry New Year. . . .

 

 

[Marty_d]

Hey Phil,

 

Calamari with cumin and onion rings sounds great. Book me in next time I'm over your way!

 

Berlin may have changed in the last 9 years. My point is, it was bloody scary back then on NYE. I did mention to my wife (quietly, so our German friend couldn't hear) that I thought we'd skipped back in time to 1945...

 

I think the point I'm trying to stumble to is that this sh*t is complicated. Firstly there's the concentration effect of media reporting. We see 60 reported sexual assaults, the perpetrators appear to be north African or Arabic (how many of them? All? Some?) and coupled with the high influx of Syrian refugees we are led, un-subtly, to the conclusion that the muzzies are invading to rape our womenfolk.

 

I would start by asking if the reporter did any proper statistical analysis of the assaults. Is the number of sexual assaults significantly higher than other years? Was the severity of the assaults worse than other years? Why was the appearance of the perpetrators important? (A sexual assault is a sexual assault, whether committed by a first-, second-, third- or 500th-generation German.) If the reporter is indeed trying to link the influx of refugees to the assaults, have they determined how many (if any) of the perpetrators were refugees?

 

Then we have the big-picture stuff. Let's say for argument's sake that the isolationists have a valid point, and after all the facts and stats have been checked, it's proven that there's a higher rate of criminal activity by immigrants from specific regions.

 

What do you do with the 99.9% of law-abiding people from that region? Refuse them entry? Start discriminating by race or religion? Say to someone fleeing torture or death in their home country "Sorry - we don't want you, because we're scared of you - go home and die, or spend the next 10 years living in a camp where your children will have minimal education and live in fear and squalor."?

 

There are no easy answers to this. You can't just "fix" their home country by forcible regime change, that's been tried multiple times by the US and has usually resulted in a worse situation than before. You can't expect the countries around them to bear the burden alone. I would argue that you can't even shut your borders and lock up asylum seekers (like we do) as the humanitarian consequences have been proved to be terrible for those people.

 

So - sorry for the ramble - in summary my point is that the situation is far more complicated than the picture you get from media reporting.