Marty_d Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 So.... what are you guys saying? That basically there's 1.57 BILLION people on Earth that should just be taken out and shot because their belief system is based on a book that doesn't tolerate non-believers? Good luck with that. Let us know how you get on.
bexrbetter Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 denying the terrorists even the satisfaction of claiming responsibility. Actually guys, in all seriousness this current attempt to quell the masses rage is blatantly some of the worst astroturfing I have ever seen in social media, please don't fall for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing I am not saying don't agree with it, I'm simply asking you to make your own minds up - but be very aware that you are currently being steered by it, it being the "ISIL is weak and they want you to hate Muslims for their benefit so love Muslims instead" line. Look around you and notice how many articles based on this foundation are attacking your thought process currently.
bexrbetter Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 So.... what are you guys saying? That basically there's 1.57 BILLION people on Earth that should just be taken out and shot because their belief system is based on a book that doesn't tolerate non-believers? Good luck with that. Let us know how you get on. Not at all, I have no problem with segregation which is pretty much how it was until various interest groups decided to destabilise everything. I'd like to see it get back to that point. But tell me what you think is going to happen on this planet when we get to 20 (whatever) billion people that just might happen in your lifetime?
Old Koreelah Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Marty who is advocating the extermination of a whole creed? We'd be as bad as their worst. Perhaps it's time we had an honest national conversation about the place of Islam in our secular, tolerant society. Just about every other issue has been done to death by panels of experts and Royal Commissions. For too long we've avoided the elephant in the room, while our Moslem population grows ever larger. I can see it now: Jenny Brocky or Tony Jones chairing a frank and robust discussion about whether that particular religion can ever reconcile itself with mainstream Australian values. The outcome has a major bearing on the future of society.
willedoo Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 China? Which China are you referring to, shirley not the China that has never attacked another country in history? China wants nothing to do with this shite, only America has constantly bleated on about the big red threat (whatever) to make you think there's some issue. Most Chinese are baffled by it, have no idea what it's all about and just want others to "Fx off" and leave them alone to their own business - which apparently America finds impossible to do. I would put Russia not so far from that attitude as well. Apparently America needs a constant threat possibly to make a lot of Arms Manufacturers, Politicians and Generals filthy rich, that's all I can think of, thank goodness for Israel. Shameful that many Americans are still homeless after Hurricane Katrina 10 years ago, a bill that could have been covered by a month's Miltary budget. I agree with you totally. Possibly you might have understood the intention of the reference in my post. I meant that Russia and China are the only two nations that have the capability to come near matching the U.S. militarily. And it was in the context of those nations developing asymmetric warfare capabilities to be able to compete with the U.S. or defend themselves against the same. It was meant as an analogy to the current situation we're facing with an asymmetric terrorist threat and our current state of trying to adapt to it. As stated, I totally agree with you; I've been saying the same thing for years. Cheers, Willie.
dutchroll Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 The Old Testament of the Bible preaches and gives practical examples of just as much revenge and violence as some sections of the Koran (want me to start quoting?). Then Christians say "oh yeah but we don't live by that, we live by the good & kind bits in the New Testament (of which there are also equivalents in the Koran). Then each religion says "your book is worse than ours - ours only ever preaches love and kindness", which is wrong on both counts, for both religions. There's no doubt that Islam has the single biggest problem with radicalisation right at the moment and it must be addressed, but it has not always been that way. Any keen observer of world history knows that Muslim cultures several hundred years ago were actually centres of progress and enlightenment at a time when the Christian world was the exact opposite. Certainly not now, that's for sure. But what has happened to cause this reversal? Well a lot of things I won't go into or we'll be here all day. There's also this: the duplicity of ourselves in how we react to terrorism deaths. As Buddhists in Myanmar ethnically cleanse hundreds of Rohingya Muslims usually by beating them to death, no one gives a ****. It took several hundred thousand Rwandan civilians to be murdered in a cultural/religious slaughter before we in the west even started raising an eyebrow. Then there's ISIS itself, which has slaughtered Muslims left right & centre in huge numbers. A few days ago in Baghdad they murdered 17 guests at a wedding in a bomb blast. Care factor and empathy from us that the bride, groom, and relatives are all now in little bits and pieces? Zero. Usually for pointing all this out, I get called a bleeding heart leftie (which is weird, as there aren't many bleeding heart lefties who have Australian active service medals from their military service in the Middle East).
facthunter Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Motorcycle riders are all pretty much tarred with the same brush. Look how you tar all atheists with the same brush. Remove the mote from your own eye. Nev
facthunter Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Have atheists been slaying people?. We sit and despair at the religious ratbags hating and slaying in the name of their mate in the sky and caring little for the world they regard only as a step to some place where all the "NICE" god fearing people will end up, doing heaven knows what, for eternity..Nev
Gnarly Gnu Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Have atheists been slaying people? Oh my are you serious? The Atheist head count is way above the Moslems Jihad one - check Stalin, Castro, Che, Mao, Pol Pot etc. Atheist countries are the most dangerous, miserable and repressive on the planet. However within the framework of Atheism it is impossible to demonstrate that this mass killing is actually morally wrong behaviour. But this is for another thread so that's enough...
facthunter Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 I'm talking about NOW. The religious use sayings from god talking books and prophesies of the end of the world. Atheists have none of this style of "inspiration" to fuel any actions . It's just individual mad bastards seeking personal power. When you invoke a god there is a new dynamic. Nev
Gnarly Gnu Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 I'm talking about NOW. As in Kim Jong-un now?
octave Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Oh my are you serious? The Atheist head count is way above the Moslems Jihad one - check Stalin, Castro, Che, Mao, Pol Pot etc. Atheist countries are the most dangerous, miserable and repressive on the planet. However within the framework of Atheism it is impossible to demonstrate that this mass killing is actually morally wrong behaviour. But this is for another thread so that's enough... Are you really sighting conservapedia as a source, that is hilarious. For any not familiar with conservapedia, it is a copy of wikipedia written by creationists and christian fundamentalists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservapedia
dutchroll Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 North Korean dictators are not evil because they're atheistic. They're evil because they're ruthless powermongers who have no respect for their people. Augusto Pinochet was much the same, and he was a Catholic and a capitalist. Not all Muslims are evil and wish death and destruction on the non-Muslim world either, though in some Muslim countries (e.g. Iraq, Iran) it is much more of a problem than others who just want to keep going about their daily lives (e.g., Malaysia, the great majority of Indonesia). Conservapedia is a laughing stock.
fly_tornado Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Are you really sighting conservapedia as a source, that is hilarious. For any not familiar with conservapedia, it is a copy of wikipedia written by creationists and christian fundamentalists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservapedia If you can't trust the word of a creationist or a funde, who can you trust?
fly_tornado Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Gnu's world view never fails to impress me.
M61A1 Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 So.... what are you guys saying? That basically there's 1.57 BILLION people on Earth that should just be taken out and shot because their belief system is based on a book that doesn't tolerate non-believers? Good luck with that. Let us know how you get on. If they want to die for their god. oblige them....
fly_tornado Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Its really hard to see how the ADF under Turnbull will ever step foot offshore.
fly_tornado Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 IS can't be stopped by bombs though, yesterday they called a bomb hoax on 2 air france airliners, so today everyone thinks twice about booking with air france. MetroJet was looking marginal prior to the bombing, so it might fold. Economic warfare is hard to win
fly_tornado Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 What would you do, ft? Round up every d!ckhead in Australia that wants to kill a muslim and give them a one way trip to saudi arabia.
facthunter Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 That would have to include moslems who want to kill different moslems. Nev
fly_tornado Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 I'm easy, let the saudis sort them out.
Marty_d Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Are you really sighting conservapedia as a source, that is hilarious. For any not familiar with conservapedia, it is a copy of wikipedia written by creationists and christian fundamentalists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservapedia Conservapedia is a laughing stock. That's absolute gold. I hadn't heard of this website before (possibly not surprising, I don't tend to dig around in the right-wing god-bothering sphere). Not only do conservative christians have a skewed alternative view of reality, they've made up a wiki to support it. It should come with a warning so that people don't mistake its content for actual fact.
Gnarly Gnu Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 I hadn't heard of this website before Lefties just love themselves some fresh straw man in the morning. Did it make one scrap of difference to the undeniable fact that atheist leaders have murdered tens of millions of people, more than any other religious group? Obviously not. Did Octave or yourself offer one scrap of conflicing evidence? No. But it has to be from Fairfax or NYT apparently or it never happened. Pathetic. Octave: but never mind all that mass murder by atheists - look, shiny object over there!! On topic, someone earlier referred to containment; at this point it seems to be the only practical way forward. Open borders has been an utter failure.
facthunter Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Atheists don't murder in Dog's name. As I said before It gives it a new dimension . A concept you are not addressing. Holy book prophesy has a habit of being self fulfilling. There is no atheist book of prophesy based on belief that coerces people into acting to fulfill a prophesy of ending the world and going to heaven. Atheist have no heaven to fall back on so they value and respect THIS world, whereas some theists don't at all. How about moving away from the get the lefties bit and think for yourself instead of following the line from whatever right wing stuff you must consuming? There's no shortage of it . Nev
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