octave Posted January 23 Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: slit of the tongue like that. I can't believe you think this innocuous line is such a big deal for you. Trump will not govern like Biden but will be different. What am I missing here? By the way, you haven't told me what you think about Trump's pardon of Jan 6 rioters including the violent ones? 1 1
facthunter Posted January 23 Posted January 23 (edited) IT WAS NOT a "Slip of the Tonge" GON. Wong doesn't DO them. She's a COMPETENT MINISTER. You keep making it up. Nev Edited January 23 by facthunter 1
Grumpy Old Nasho Posted January 23 Posted January 23 12 minutes ago, octave said: GON I assume that you don't think Trump is different from the presidents that came before Penny didn't say, we don't know what she meant, do you? Yes, I personally think Trump is quite different to past presidents. For a start, he wants the Ukraine war to stop and negotiations to get underway. He wants all immigration to be legal. He's the best president the United States has had for many decades, he's a US Constitutionalist, not an international progressive destroying the United States. 1 1 1
Grumpy Old Nasho Posted January 23 Posted January 23 14 minutes ago, octave said: By the way, you haven't told me what you think about Trump's pardon of Jan 6 rioters including the violent ones? I reckon he pardoned them because it comes under the clause: "It is the duty of citizens to change the Govt if it becomes unconstitutional". There many red flags of socialism creeping in and freedoms being eroded. 2 1 1
rgmwa Posted January 23 Posted January 23 51 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: Differently to what Penny would do I suppose. There's a lack of respect for the election result in her comment. She could have lobbied the Electoral College to change the result to someone else if she felt strongly about it, the EC could've done that if they wanted to, not just for her though, but no harm in trying. I think she simply meant differently to other US presidents, and I don't see any lack of respect for the election results. She was just acknowledging that Trump is not your typical US president, which he would agree with. 2
facthunter Posted January 23 Posted January 23 (edited) Time will tell. There's a BIG risk involved with radical control freaks like Trump. The whole World has to COP his "AMERICA FIRST" CRAP and Unilateral breaking of AGREEments and threats of forceful acquisition's of Territory and DICTATOR style behaviour with the associated uncertainty. THE WORLD DOESN'T need such behaviour. There's enough ratbags out there already without another Rule the WORLD Nutcase LOOSE CANNON on the scene. Wisdom we need. Not Bolshy pretend TOUGH GUY Populists with ILLUSIONS of GRANDEUR. Nev Edited January 23 by facthunter 1
octave Posted January 23 Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: "It is the duty of citizens to change the Govt if it becomes unconstitutional" Many elections in the past have been contested by the loser especially when margins are close. This has always been dealt with in a CIVILIZED way through the court system. Are you seriously justifying the actions of this moronic mob? Do you not have any sympathy for the policeman screaming in pain whilst being crushed in a door? If you are moved by this then perhaps we have nothing more to talk about. 1
rgmwa Posted January 23 Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: I reckon he pardoned them because it comes under the clause: "It is the duty of citizens to change the Govt if it becomes unconstitutional". There many red flags of socialism creeping in and freedoms being eroded. Trump doesn't care about being constitutional, and unfortunately half the population doesn't either. There are plenty of red flags to go around. 2
Jerry_Atrick Posted January 23 Posted January 23 43 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: I reckon he pardoned them because it comes under the clause: "It is the duty of citizens to change the Govt if it becomes unconstitutional". There many red flags of socialism creeping in and freedoms being eroded. Gon.. I think you've gon a little off piste... Remind me of where the constitution bans a socialist government? Remind me what is socialism and how the Biden government is socialism. Remind me where in the constitution it is OK to commit felonies because someone didn't like an election result. And remind me where in the constitution where the government has become unconstitutional before it has taken office after legitimately winning a constitutional election in accordance with the law? And remind me of just how many court cases were taken to mainly republican nominated judges including those appointed by Trump alleging electoral interference in favour of the democrats that weren't thrown out for lack of evidence. Or how many of those lawyers capitulated and agreed to cooperate with the prosecutors when put in fron of a grand jury on conspiracy charges.. or two every high porfile lawyers that lost their licenses for misconduct - all representing Trump and his henchmen in these cases. Or the one person who was taped trying to get the Governor of Georgia to "find" was it 14,000 more votes? Quite, who was trying to become the unconstitutional government, again? 2 1 1
red750 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 GON, if you are so enamoured by one of the most despicable people to run a country, maybe you should pack your bags and go join him. And while you are at it, take all those SkyNews ratbags with you, especially Paul Murray. 2 1
facthunter Posted January 23 Posted January 23 Good on you red. Pauline HANSON loves him too as well as the NRA from whom she sought funding. Nev 1
Grumpy Old Nasho Posted January 23 Posted January 23 " .... Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." It's not in the Constitution, it's in the Declaration of Independence. Nevertheless, I didn't agree with the protestors' actions, remember though, it started peacefully, but there were some stirrers among them. 1
Jerry_Atrick Posted January 23 Posted January 23 (edited) In great American words: dude, stop digging.. How on earth wad Biden's government depotism.. and what does that have to do with socialism.. and remind me who tried to steal the election, which is, if I am not mistaken, an act of depotism? What were the protectors protesting about? The rightful transfer of power after a constitutionally legal election that the one they were supporting lost? And it is somehow a defence that a few shit stirrers started something and they, of their own free will joined in? Forgive me, but you are delusional with this and I don't believe your claimed aversion to both sides iof politics.. Edited January 23 by Jerry_Atrick 1 1
octave Posted January 23 Posted January 23 5 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: ... Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." The quote is about the right of people to overthrow a government that is attempting to establish absolute despotism. Despotism is a form of government where a single entity, usually an individual, has absolute power. There was never any evidence that the election was significantly flawed. There was no evidence that anyone was going to establish absolute despotism The only evidence that these people were acting on was Trump's assertion that he was robbed. Subsequently, numerous court cases were dismissed. Results of Lawsuits Regarding the 2020 Elections 16 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: it started peacefully, but there were some stirrers among them. I am sure many people there did not involve themselves in violence however the point was to change the result. If we accept the premise that there were a few troublemakers string people up then why give a blanket pardon? Many of the people who were imprisoned were convicted on video evidence. Why pardon these particular people. Interestingly some people who were convicted have turned down their pardon, I guess some people still have integrity. Convicted US Capitol rioter turns down Trump pardon 1 1
facthunter Posted January 23 Posted January 23 THEY did it to be able to contest the original charges. IF you accept a Pardon you can't do that. All this detail has to be considered because it IS the context. Nev 1
octave Posted January 23 Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, facthunter said: THEY did it to be able to contest the original charges. I am pretty sure that the one in the article is not contesting it and pled guilty from the start. I do know about others though. 1 1
facthunter Posted January 23 Posted January 23 That's an odd thing to do. Maybe he's a Sado-masochist flagellant. Nev
onetrack Posted January 23 Posted January 23 (edited) He is a she - and she admits the insurrectionists did wrong. Read the BBC article that Octave put up, it's balanced and informative. Edited January 23 by onetrack 1 2
octave Posted January 23 Posted January 23 Well, the 60-day sentence was served several years ago so a pardon is not such a big deal either way. Also, she is 71 so probably not worried about her job prospects 1
red750 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14313721/Trumps-blunt-two-word-message-staff-minute-decision-January-6-pardons.html?ito=social-facebook
Grumpy Old Nasho Posted January 23 Posted January 23 34 minutes ago, Jerry_Atrick said: and I don't believe your claimed aversion to both sides iof politics.. You can believe it, I just wasn't born either way, and never in my life have I rushed off to vote for the major parties, in fact I've never voted for them. As Don Chipp advised us to do: "Keep the bastards honest". When I did vote, I'd vote for anyone, anyone at all, bar the ALP and the Coalition. I know what they are like, I've had dealings with them over the years, and they are true bastards, and if you vote for them, you are placing yourself in the same category ... stop doing it, give yourself a break, vote for anyone but those deceptive shysters. 2
old man emu Posted January 23 Author Posted January 23 Do you think that Dutton would do as Prime Minister what Albanese does as Prime Minister. I don't think so. He would act differently. The furore over the way Trump conducts his presidency is created because he doesn't act as the country and the World expects a president to act. What is publicised are the examples of his actions and the comparison to what we considered to be normal.
Jerry_Atrick Posted January 23 Posted January 23 2 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: and never in my life have I rushed off to vote for the major parties, i I didn't say political parties.. I said politics
Grumpy Old Nasho Posted January 23 Posted January 23 47 minutes ago, Jerry_Atrick said: I didn't say political parties.. I said politics And the difference is?
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