Defund the ABC

[old man emu]

This demand for a form of identification containing a photograph is a product of an increasing lack of trust in one another. It is also a result of the loss of personal interaction between the individual and organisations. Just another example of the degradation of society that we must lament.

[Jerry_Atrick]

And the lady having to produce ID to purchase alcohol wad a company's decision, not a legal requirement. 

 

What that has to do with the forms of ID required and accepted to prove one's identity, I am not sure

 

Edited January 11 by Jerry_Atrick

[facthunter]

If she looked that Young she already has her reward.  Nev

[spacesailor]

When ( jackboot ) John Howard brought in the " photo l" licence. 

He stated " it would not be a ' identity card ' .

Never trust a politician. 

spacesailor

[Marty_d]

4 hours ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

 

There was an old lady ( 80's) in the UK who was refused her regular bottle of sherry cos she didn't have "proof" that she was old enough to buy it. She had no passport or driver's license. What do you suggest Marty?

I'd suggest that's either made up, exaggerated, or some idiot staff member got reamed out for doing it.

 

[Marty_d]

4 hours ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

 

 

Edited January 11 by Marty_d
Double post

[spacesailor]

That " under age " pub patron.  Applies to my grandson . no  going to the pub as they don't

Believe he's old enough to drink . Refusal at the publican's discretion. 

He' only 30 in August .

Today is his cousins 30th birthday party l .   at the club .& I guess , one cousins will be missing .

Again .

spacesailor

[Jerry_Atrick]

1 hour ago, Marty_d said:

I'd suggest that's either made up, exaggerated, or some idiot staff member got reamed out for doing it.

 

It's true, overhyped and yes, staff members were re-educated on British values

 

1 hour ago, spacesailor said:

Believe he's old enough to drink . Refusal at the publican's discretion. 

That's the point.. the law simply says, more or less, licensees can't sell alcohol to under 18s. It does not say how the establishment must verify their age. If its in NSW, I would imagine there's little if any defence that the ID provided was reasonable to believe.

[red750]

Old joke.....

 

A 70 yo guy goes into a bottle shop to buy a bottle of Scotch. The salesman asks for proof of age. The old man says "Don't I look old enough to drink?" The salesman replies, "I am just checking if you qualify for seniors discount."

[facthunter]

People on the Pension certainly couldn't afford Scotch by the Bottle.  Nev

[pmccarthy]

The ABC has an article about the Aboriginal man who died in a home invasion while armed with a machete. The article says nothing about the the fear of the other man defending his young family. It goes on at length about the feelings and anger of the dead man's family that the innocent party will not be prosecuted, with photos of the dead man's family. 
This is a million miles from balanced reporting. 

[Jerry_Atrick]

Is this the report?: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-04/man-dies-in-hospital-after-boulder-kalgoorlie-home-invasion/104683322

 

Can you point to me where this is stated or even implied:

7 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

It goes on at length about the feelings and anger of the dead man's family that the innocent party will not be prosecuted,

The article seemed to be quoting people, not offering an opinion. Do you know if the the victim or their family were prepared to quote for the article, or if the victim was even in a position to quote?

 

7 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

This is a million miles from balanced reporting. 

While the article did quote from the perpetrator;s family and didn't quote from the victim's family, this assessment seems a couple of hundred thousand miles away from a balanced assessment. BTW, I am not saying your assessment is necessarily wrong, but it doesn't quite pass the pub test (and I am writing from the pub).

Edited January 22 by Jerry_Atrick

[old man emu]

Self-defence of oneself or of another under attack has always been allowed. The only caveat has been that the resisting force must not be greater that the attacking force. In other words, hand to hand; same weapon type to same weapon type. 

 

Let's ask a few questions of the deceased's mother. Why had he been in prison and had been in and out of juvenile detention since he was 12? What role did she play in teaching her son to respect the rights of other people? “As the twig is bent, so grows the tree” is a proverb that means early influences have a lasting effect. Who is the source of those early influences?

 

I'm charitable enough to think that the society the mother and son grew up in wasn't ideal as compared to some other societies, but all societies have basic rules. And the society I am referring to is not the pre-European Indigenous society. These people lived in a European society, taking the ups and downs of that society.

 

Another point that I would raise is that, if the deceased had been confined in institutions from the age of twelve, why wasn't he given an education which might have allowed him a glimpse of a better life. Not that a better life was much of a chance in an isolated town where the odds of gaining employment are blown out be the colour of one's skin.

[facthunter]

WHO did the Killing?  Isn't that the crime?  Was it in self defence?  Mitigating circumstances surely.  Entering someone's home other than being invited  must be a criminal act? These are general comments not necessarily relevant to this incident. Nev

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

The story is about an Aboriginal bloke, the ABC made sure of that. Nothing was really said about the home owner victim, as usual, only that he received injuries, and sent to hospital ... but why wasn't his family interviewed? That would have balanced the story.

[octave]

We have no idea if the victim and their family were asked and declined to comment,   I guess people will come to different conclusions but this article makes me want to ask some of the questions that OME posed.   I can't really see much opinion in this story. It seems mainly to be quotes. If the victim (who is probably traumatised) doesn't want to comment does that mean that no story is written or that no quotes are included?  

[facthunter]

Sensation and FEAR. That's all they try to do so you will listen what happened Later. They certainly do some stories to death. How they do the story IS the News, It's all "views". Nev

[onetrack]

He was probably smart enough to remain anonymous and not give an interview and reveal his name and potentially his location - otherwise there would be savage "retribution" from other Aboriginals in Kalgoorlie.

 

There was an episode involving a white bloke in Kalgoorlie about 3-4 years ago, who was thoroughly sick of constant theft by Aboriginals. He spotted an Aboriginal youth riding one of his stolen motorbikes, and set off chasing him in his 4WD. In the ensuing melee, the Aboriginal youth was knocked off the motorbike and died.

 

The bloke was charged with manslaughter and spent a couple of years in jail, but while he was in jail, his home was burnt down, and his family made homeless.

 

No-one was ever caught or charged over the fire, which is pretty pathetic, IMO. The bloke and his family left Kalgoorlie for good after the house fire, and went to live in the Eastern States.

[facthunter]

 It's ABSOLUTELY LIKELY that people don't wish to be bothered by reporters at such times..   Nev

[onetrack]

Here's a different news outlet take on the story.

 

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/tyron-smiths-family-devastated-as-police-rule-out-charging-kalgoorlie-homeowner-who-confronted-armed-intruder-c-17471070

[facthunter]

Yes I recall THAT one .Looking after  "white man" stuff doesn't rate high On First Nations peoples list of priorities. That statement is NOT racist. It's JUST the fact apart from the  deliberate act of Property theft, which any thinking person should understand could not be considered acceptable. unless it's food and you are starving etc.  Nev

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

21 minutes ago, facthunter said:

unless it's food and you are starving etc

Sorry,  but are you saying it's ok to home invade if all you want is food?

[old man emu]

4 minutes ago, onetrack said:

Here's a different news outlet take on the story. https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/tyron-smiths-family-devastated-as-police-rule-out-charging-kalgoorlie-homeowner-who-confronted-armed-intruder-c-17471070

Here's a reporter's story (I wouldn't call the writer a journalist) that to me clearly indicates a failure to provide an explanation to the family and public of the stages of a Coronial Inquiry. That gives fuel to the claim that the Police were withholding information.

 

1.  The incident occurred on 29th November 2024. The deceased died on 2nd December 2024. (Notice the reporter used the American system of stating a date. I used the Australian one.)

2.  The next step would be the conduct of a post mortem. That involves organising a Pathologist to do the investigation and then to write up the results. I'm sure that samples would have been taken for drug/alcohol analysis. Give a couple of weeks for the results to come back, especially since the Festive Season would have shut down the forensic labs. So the Pathologist might have only been able to finalise the report of the PM in the middle of January.

3. Meanwhile, would be conducting crime scene examinations and interviewing witnesses. The deceased would have been formally identified by the day after death, and a preliminary report submitted to the Coroner shortly afterwards.

4. By the end of January it is clear that the investigation revealed that the cause of death was not due to any living person's criminal act. So there was nothing to bring before a Criminal Court.

5. Since the decision not to proceed with a prosecution was made, the death simply meets the criteria for a Coronial Inquest to determine who died, when and where they died, and the cause of death. The Coroner would most likely comment on the circumstances of the death. A Coroner can make a finding that someone is criminally liable for the death, or that there is no criminality. 

 

I, too would be interested to learn the cause of death. That fact has a great impact on whether or not the death was justifiable in all the circumstances.

 

I'm sure that a distinguished barrister will be engaged by the family of the deceased to act on their behalf at the Inquest to probe at depth the evidence provided to the Coroner. I wonder if the family will tell the Coroner the reason why the deceased entered the home, disguised and armed with a weapon. 

[facthunter]

GON. I said STARVING. Not just hungry.

 OME I think it's reasonable to expect your home be safe from unwanted  and threatening entry. IF you're masked and armed you should forfeit a lot of your normal rights. You have clearly shown that you are prepared and ready to threaten and  commit violent acts upon those you confront. .  Nev

[old man emu]

One doesn't have to be at home to expect to be safe from armed attack. Safety should be everywhere.