Defund the ABC

[facthunter]

You WILL have to look harder. The TRUTH is becoming nearly impossible  to find. That's NOT an accident. The "Bastards" feed it to you and also keep things secret.. WHAT you see or hear on the Media is CAREFULLY ARRANGED and bears no resemblance to what REALLY happened. Nev

[nomadpete]

1 hour ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

Should we leave our future in the lap of the Gods?

Please keep gods out of politics.

 

So far, there is no proof that gods can actually be relied upon to help mere mortals (and why would they want to?)

[nomadpete]

1 hour ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

nuclear submarines and emission targets eventuating in 2030s - 2040s ... is that it, is that all we can come up with?

Well...

 

In the interests of the population of our country, I'd like to see political action on the following:-

 

1. Transparency by all political and business players.

 

2. Accountability - a transparent Anticorruption watchdog that has teeth & allows public scrutiny.

 

3. A stop to foreign ownership of domestic property.

 

4. A better system of making big business pay their taxes.

 

5. A future fund similar to Norway's.

 

6. A ban on political parties. Democracy can be served better if each elected member is permitted a conscience vote.

 

7. Cease using taxpayers money for political advertising.

 

8. Bring back old fashioned boring but factual reporting and investigative journalism by our ABC.

 

 

Am I  sounding grumpy enough yet?

 

 

Edited January 9 by nomadpete
I had to add something about ABC

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

4 hours ago, facthunter said:

People have given up their lives so their kids CAN have a free Vote GON . Don't WASTE your precious vote,. It's the most valuable thing a working democracy HAS. ,Coming a close 2nd  is a PRESS that doesn't DELIBERATELY and OPENLY Tell LIES.  Nev

I've heard that cliché many times before. It doesn't take into account that about a quarter of primary votes are wasted whether voters vote or not.

 

In principle it's not a "free" vote. On the Electoral Commission's web site it says that voting is compulsory. But apparently it's only if you don't get your name crossed off the roll - but hey, you might as well fill out the ballot paper while you're there getting your name crossed off. That's how it goes. It's a loophole for anyone who doesn't feel like voting. However, for many rural folk, getting their name crossed of the roll can be a major task because of long traveling times and expenses in fuel etc.

 

We should be paid to vote if the ruling Elite want to keep compulsory voting on their selfish agenda. Without paying us, they are getting something for nothing, but voters have expenses to pay in order to vote. There should be a cash payment for each km traveled beyond the specified 8km set down by the Electoral Commission.

 

That's why I wish the ABC would initiate a conversation about it, and publish their findings. We might pride ourselves in adopting programs such as social safety net and new technology, but our voting system is still in the horse and cart days.

 

 

 

[facthunter]

It's logical and self evident the more research you put into your vote the better  the outcome will be. OK then, where ELSE would you prefer to be living and why? TRY appreciating what you have and not being obsessed that it's NOT Perfect.. There's plenty of people having a shittyer life than you in the world. I don't have to tell YOU  that.  Nev (your MATE).

Edited January 9 by facthunter

[old man emu]

27 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

However, for many rural folk, getting their name crossed of the roll can be a major task because of long traveling times and expenses in fuel etc.

I don't see how living remotely prevents someone from voting. That is, of course, if you don't have ome means of receiving and sending mail. You can always apply for a postal vote which is a means to vote if you live more than 8 kilometres from a polling booth.

https://www.finance.gov.au/sites/default/files/Document 7.pdf

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

1 hour ago, old man emu said:

I don't see how living remotely prevents someone from voting. That is, of course, if you don't have ome means of receiving and sending mail. You can always apply for a postal vote which is a means to vote if you live more than 8 kilometres from a polling booth.

The nearest PO mailing box is the same distance away as the polling booth, 5 X 8kms for me, then back home again. Postal voting requires a trip or two the that mailing box. It'd be great if I got compensation for fuel and lunch.

[red750]

18 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

Postal voting requires a trip or two the that mailing box.

 

How do you receive your mail? Do you have other shops near you or are you that far in the sticks?

 

[nomadpete]

9. More value than defunding ABC,

 

Lets Mandate TRUTH in all political advertising.

 

 

Edited January 9 by nomadpete

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

1 hour ago, red750 said:

 

How do you receive your mail? Do you have other shops near you or are you that far in the sticks?

 

No shops. A mail contractor delivers 3 times a week and it's not part of their job to take mail back with them, I was told by the postie. Posting a letter or parcel requires a trip to the nearest town. That also cuts us out from selling on Ebay, unless we can make it understood to buyers that we can't post their items the next day, or perhaps even in a week.

[old man emu]

1 hour ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

Posting a letter or parcel requires a trip to the nearest town.

Don't you go into town for groceries and stuff?

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

24 minutes ago, old man emu said:

Don't you go into town for groceries and stuff?

Once every three weeks.

[pmccarthy]

Our town has no mail delivery. This will become more common in future as mail becomes more expensive to post.

[facthunter]

Deterioration of a standard of living anywhere but where the Population is very DENSE.. Nev

[Marty_d]

Even snail mail for voting is so last century.

In any sort of business vote - RA-AUS for example, or companies you're a shareholder of - you can vote online.

It shouldn't be beyond the imagination and technical ability of the AEC to come up with a way to verify your identity then cast your vote online.  
Let's face it, at the voting booth you give your name and address (which you can see in the book if you can read upside down) and they cross you off.  They don't ask for ID and they don't know you, so theoretically you can walk into a dozen polling places and steal people's votes.

[facthunter]

There's a sealed envelope involved there and also with voting by Post. It's supposed to be a secret ballot. Do People TRUST on line Could it be scammed ? I don't know.  Nev

[Marty_d]

We do banking and pay bills online. There's more incentive for criminals to go after money than change votes.

There would be ways of making it secure and trustworthy.

[red750]

Multi level ID (code  texted to phone) as used by Services Australia(Centrelink) should be sufficient.

[Marty_d]

I've just applied for visas for an upcoming holiday.  I thought they did it pretty well - you upload a photo of your passport (info page) and a photo of yourself taken that day.  It scans the two and gives a % similarity, and if it's over some level, it lets you continue.

I scored 78% with different beard and hair colour (my passport is from 9 years ago - hair is a lot whiter now!)

 

Obviously the problem there is that not everyone has a passport.  But if you have a driver's licence which most people do, it can compare the details from that to the state's records to ensure the licence is valid, then compare the photo to one taken today, compare your address to the electoral rolls then take you to a secure area to cast your vote.

[spacesailor]

I know a few , who lost their licenses.  & two who never had one .

Told them all to get a " photo identification card " from service nsw .

I have now , both ' Licence & Identity card ' .

But 

no online anything   not even ' facebook '

Just this one . Recreational Flying Forum .

spacesailor

PS. : no ' credit card ' , so no online shopping. 

Edited January 10 by spacesailor
PS added

[facthunter]

On line Voting MAY be OK but the perception has a lot to do with acceptance of the idea.   Nev

[pmccarthy]

You can't use an ASIC as it is not recognised by any authority as a valid identification document.

[spacesailor]

I have had people refusing my ID card ! , wanting me to go & get a passport or other form of identity. 

Funny how they change their tune , when I ask for the manager,  or threatening to get the police involved .

spacesailor

[facthunter]

I think I've worked out why you have trouble getting an electrician.  Nev

[Bruce Tuncks]

 

There was an old lady ( 80's) in the UK who was refused her regular bottle of sherry cos she didn't have "proof" that she was old enough to buy it. She had no passport or driver's license. What do you suggest Marty?