red750 Posted January 12 Posted January 12 https://levanews.com/man-releases-chilling-never-seen-before-footage-of-twin-tower-collapse/ 1
Grumpy Old Nasho Posted January 12 Posted January 12 There were red flags communicated by airport employees months beforehand, but nothing was done. Perhaps DEI was the order of the day.
onetrack Posted January 12 Posted January 12 The biggest red flags were the indications by the terrorists to the flight instructors, that they only wanted to learn how to take off, not to land the Boeings!! How dumb would you have to be to not pick up on that, straight up!! There were hundreds of red flags on the terrorists that were not picked up, and the Americans only have themselves to blame. https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch7.htm
Jerry_Atrick Posted January 12 Posted January 12 3 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: Perhaps DEI was the order of the day. Why is it when something like this happens, DEI gets the blame? Are the vast majority of Muslims terrorists? Like the Rotheram grooming gangs, when you delve into the details, it is usually people being too lazy to do their jobs and hiding behind DEI, than DEI itself. 1 1
facthunter Posted January 12 Posted January 12 The headline is misleading and gets you in but NOTHING new is shown.. Just FILL, really. Nev 1
Grumpy Old Nasho Posted January 13 Posted January 13 8 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said: Why is it when something like this happens, DEI gets the blame? Are the vast majority of Muslims terrorists? DEI is not specifically for muslims ... and I did say "perhaps" Short story: I moved to the sticks from the big city of Sydney, and among other reasons, I wanted to mix with people of my own ethnicity (traditional Aussies), whom I understood, and they understood me. Strangely, leftwingers blurted out "You racist" ... yes, I swapped the crime ridden city for a very peaceful lifestyle out here, exercising from freedom of choice, and that's what I got - "racist". Can you believe it? 1
Grumpy Old Nasho Posted January 13 Posted January 13 9 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said: Like the Rotheram grooming gangs, when you delve into the details, it is usually people being too lazy to do their jobs and hiding behind DEI, than DEI itself. Too right! but not too lazy, just too obstinate, and scared.
facthunter Posted January 13 Posted January 13 YES I CAN. Sydney has for a long time been UNFIT for human habitation.. You can't be allowed off the TREADMILL. What if it caught on and Everybody did it? Someone's got to pay(and pay and pay) for the Overcapitalisation and keep house prices rising. Just Imagine what it was like 300 years ago. Nev 1
onetrack Posted January 13 Posted January 13 The simple fact remains that Musk is concentrating on the Rotherham grooming gangs to simply further his own right-wing, anti-immigration agenda. He doesn't give a rats rectum about the girl victims, and he would care even less that many of the girls weren't white. The Rotherham grooming gangs were in operation between 1997 and 2013, how come Musk didn't start on exposing them, back then? There were plenty of news articles written about the problem in the early 2000's. Musk is a particularly nasty toxic piece of work, and I'm quite amazed that Steve Bannon, one of the biggest right-wing leaders around, it's stating outright, that Musk is toxic, and Bannon is going to ensure Musk has little input into Trump decision-making. What I find even more amazing is that Bannon has pointed out that Musk has no other interest besides insuring he becomes a trillionaire, and that all his companies receive favoured treatment and make vastly bigger and better profits. In Bannons exact words, "He is truly evil"! https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jan/12/the-right-is-trying-to-rewrite-history-with-its-toxic-rhetoric-on-britains-gangs https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/12/steve-bannon-calls-elon-musk-racist 1
nomadpete Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Heah, but is that just sour grapes from Bannon. He used to be 'best buddy' but not any more. 1
Marty_d Posted January 13 Posted January 13 6 minutes ago, onetrack said: In Bannons exact words, "He is truly evil" Pots and kettles 1
nomadpete Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) G-O-N, I left steak-n-kidney back in 1976 because it was getting too noisy, dirty, and indifferent. It is a lovely harbour, spoiled by a unpleasant city. But going for the peace and solitude of a treechange doesn't get you away from the criminals. Rural theft is rife just about anywhere. (Signed: Grumpy Old Nomad) Edited January 13 by nomadpete Signed it! 1
facthunter Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Blood is thicker than water and justice in the Country. The place where they all know what YOU have done before you even think about it and the village idiot. (Their brother) is expert in all things. Nev 1
Grumpy Old Nasho Posted January 13 Posted January 13 31 minutes ago, nomadpete said: But going for the peace and solitude of a treechange doesn't get you away from the criminals. Rural theft is rife just about anywhere. The Aussie locals here warned me about outsiders coming in and pinching stuff ... and then it happened, I have a Sunshine hay rake which had a cast iron seat. I placed no value on the seat except for just ornament display when I had the time to remove it. It got removed alright, not be me, but traveling campers nicked it. I wondered why. I looked up the internet and saw them going for $250. 1
nomadpete Posted January 13 Posted January 13 25 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: They are used for bar stools. But the barstools stole it! 1
facthunter Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Stools should be in the dunny. and flushed with success. You'd be able to get new ones cast cheaper than 250. Nev 1
nomadpete Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 hour ago, facthunter said: Stools should be in the dunny. and flushed with success. You'd be able to get new ones cast cheaper than 250. Nev I didn't think we had any foundries left in Australia? 1
Jerry_Atrick Posted January 13 Posted January 13 8 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: DEI is not specifically for muslims ... and I did say "perhaps" Short story: I moved to the sticks from the big city of Sydney, and among other reasons, I wanted to mix with people of my own ethnicity (traditional Aussies), whom I understood, and they understood me. Strangely, leftwingers blurted out "You racist" ... yes, I swapped the crime ridden city for a very peaceful lifestyle out here, exercising from freedom of choice, and that's what I got - "racist". Can you believe it? Sorry, mate.. My questions wasn't aimed specifically at you, and I only mentioned Muslims in the context of 9/11. But let's face it, whenever there is an event involving Muslims, the DEI card is often played by the media and pollies with an agenda. Also, when peapole say "perhaps DEI", or "perhaps minority rights", or "perhaps gays", or "perhaps women drivers", etc, the perhaps really means "looks like it [could be] to me..." Otherwise, why single it out? But, whenever something comes up, the press, and mainly right wing pollies like to insinuate it is DEI (or as we xall it here, D&I). FWIW, I think it is gathering momentum beyond its utility, but it is mainly about hearing different points of view to try and get to the best conclusion; hirign a diverse workforce to achieve better results, etc. It doesn't mean favourable treatment, nor does it mean that minority groups can operate with legal impunity. In terms of your wanting to live amongst those culturally like you - can't see a problem with that. I am not sure about Sydney, but when I lived in Melbourne, there were enclaves all over the place. Brunswick/Carlton were mainly Italians, Kensington were mainly Vietnamese, Coburg and Brunswick had a big influx of Turks, Dandenong had a large concentration of sub-continental Indians, Caulfield/Balaclava was largely Jewish, etc. I believe Tullamarine and Craigeburn area these days is largely Middle Eastrern and is it Noble Park where there is a large Sudanese of Sikh population. People of like cultures like to gravitate.. In London, my brother's father in law, who remarried an African woman, lived in an area of London, which when I drove my niece there one day, was like driving in totally different, non-European country. 1
Grumpy Old Nasho Posted January 13 Posted January 13 28 minutes ago, Jerry_Atrick said: Also, when peapole say "perhaps DEI", or "perhaps minority rights", or "perhaps gays", or "perhaps women drivers", etc, the perhaps really means "looks like it [could be] to me..." Otherwise, why single it out? Well I singled it out because "perhaps" it was the most likely reason, since there's this diversity and multicultural disease going around in western nations, making us shy to mention any ethnicity, or get an ethnic person in trouble for fear of being tagged "racist". No one has any cultural standing any longer, we only have government designed values and anti-discrimination laws. But if the cops asked us to describe a home invader, I'm pretty sure they'd want to know the color of their skin, and their approximate ethnicity. 1 1
Jerry_Atrick Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) I think most people conflate DEI with racial profiling. DEI is about incorporationg and including different cultural sets of society to help determine direction, outcomes, stategy, and decisions. The big categories and ones most played out, and arguably malinged, in the press, are race, sexuality, gender/sex, and possibly religious belief (or not). However, it is very context dependent, and, for instance, we also look at neuro-diversity, educational backgrounds, and the like,. In fact, I have someone on my team who is definitely on the austism spectrum and the solutions he comes up to problems with is novel and very effective. DEI and multicultrualism has nothing to do with law enforcement or mentioning ethnicity. Ethinicty is only a subset of DEI, anyway, and is not really anything to do woith racism or racial equality. Another term hijacked by the mainly right wing MSM to push a narrtive. There is nothing to suggest in DEI that there has to be, for example, affirmative action. What DEI is about is acknbowledging that there are different ways at looking that things, which can be driven of different attributes of a person, and that this is healthy.. That is about it. Of course someone investigating a crime will want to know the attributes of that person - whatever they are. Only marginal parts of society would deem someone racist for arresting a non-white on reasonable suspicion of a crime.. What is racist is not pursuing a criminal because of their race, or automatically assuming an pursuing people of a race for a crime. But, not to pursue someone for a crome because of their race would be a derelcition of duty; however, of people I know looking into Rotheram, it seemed to be more driven by laziness or lack of caring of "lower peoples of society" and using fear of being called out for racism as an excuse. IOtherwise, they would never arrest a black person, yet they are by far more arrested,subject to discretionary stop and searches than any other racial group. If you lokk at the root cause, you can woirk out the fix.. Knee jerk reactions tend to produce the wrong results. 1 hour ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: Well I singled it out because "perhaps" it was the most likely reason On what basis?.. Edited January 13 by Jerry_Atrick
Grumpy Old Nasho Posted January 13 Posted January 13 5 minutes ago, Jerry_Atrick said: On what basis? " ........ since there's this diversity and multicultural disease going around in western nations, making us shy to mention any ethnicity, or get an ethnic person in trouble for fear of being tagged "racist"."
Jerry_Atrick Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) A disease.. Of course you're welcome to your opinion... I have no problems mentioning enthnicity or calling out someone out for dong the wrong thing no matter where they are from. I guess I am not racist. And there is nothing to fear for doing so.. maybe except those who fear being found out as racist? Edited January 13 by Jerry_Atrick
Grumpy Old Nasho Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) How would you deal with that long running "grooming" fiasco? More than ten years it was going on, wasn't it. Edited January 13 by Grumpy Old Nasho
Jerry_Atrick Posted January 13 Posted January 13 I would have held the officers and commissioner of police, and potentially the CPS repsonsible for any dereliction of duty. As I have said, they are hiding behind being scared of called racist. That is not DEI.. In fact, when you think about it, it is the oppoosite of DEI.. It would acknowledge anyone can commit a crime and should be helkd accountable. That is the whole inclusion bit. There is nothing that has been reported that would suggest anyone would be held accountable as being a racist by arresting the gangs. Rotheram is one of the more deprived areas of the UK, and is up north, which means it receives a lot less attention than down south. The police and the CPS have been alleged to have not fulfilled their obligations out of laziness effectively - or apathy - ot whatever. The police have offered up the excuse of scared of being labelled racist - they are hardly going ot be objective or necessarily truthful. There is nothing in the Home Office advise and guidance, nothing of record in the local MPs or other committees records that have indicated a modicum of going easy because of their nationality or heritage. It is a buch of dicks inventing an excuse which the MSM has picked up on and driven.. and the like fo Farage have beat up - you know - just like he beat up a poor girl being brutally killed and then quoting "sources" that they weren't releasing the identity of the accused as they are Muslim to protect Muslims.. which started a bunch of riots all over the country... And it turned out the accused was not Muslim, and that it was a minor which the police could not by law divulge the identity without a court order.. .and the "source".. was no other than Andrew Tate! BTW, I think the PM scored an own goal by not allowing an investigation into how it was not addressed for so long.. Yes, he has been implicated as the head of hte CPS at the time, but, apart from the Daily Wail and the likes, no one is suggesting he had anything to do with it. 2
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