Interesting auto advetising

[ClintonB]

This old girl could apparently get 25000km between services.

Why do our modern cars have to go in every 10000km for petrol and 150000 for diesel according to the manufacturer.

Is it a money grab or is the modern motor and tech not as good as the old stuff.

 

 

[onetrack]

Clinton - Nope, the servicing period for the Statesman was every 15,000kms. Maybe you read the ad as only needing 2 services in 2 years and 50,000kms. But 2 years servicing or 50,000kms servicing, is at least 3 services.

[old man emu]

14 minutes ago, onetrack said:

50,000kms servicing, is at least 3 services.

No. Three services at most. They would be at 15K, 30K and 45K. After 50K no more freebies. Also you are not likely to service within the 5K between 45K and 50K.

 

Warning: I've heard that if you buy a new car and don't get it serviced BEFORE the specified mileages (kilometrages?????), the manufacturer is not inclined to accept warranty claims. I could well be corrected on this point.

[facthunter]

The RENAULT TRAFIC is a 30,000 kms service. Diesel.  The Holden Statesman AD just says it has 2 years or 50000 miles of FREE servicing..  Nev

[facthunter]

Some makers have tried to worm out of their warrantee if the servicing period exceeds that stipulated on either TIME OR KMS. It's unlikely to cause any failure in the short term. Often in these days there was a dealer service at  1,000  Miles..  Nev

[ClintonB]

I can't find a dealer to do my triton which is overdue by almost 3000km now due to them.all being too busy. I still have to get around. I bought oil and a filter and might just go old school and put it on the hoist this week. I don't know what other physical work they do. Most of the service items on bill are inspect and check off only. When the air filter was clogged up at 15000 service they didn't replace it, only mentioned it in notes. I had to do i  carport myself before I drove it home.

[Marty_d]

Did you see the warranty though?

3 years/ 100,000k's.  These days it's usually 7 years/ unlimited k's.

[facthunter]

 Doing short trips as one thing bad for the motor. change oil more frequently under those circumstances. check the thermostat is working and don't remove it except temporarily.  Nev

[old man emu]

1 hour ago, Marty_d said:

Did you see the warranty though?

3 years/ 100,000k's.  These days it's usually 7 years/ unlimited k's.

Just goes to show how far manufacturers have come in the design, metallurgy and tolerances since the years of our youth. The problem in the future might be the robustness of the computer systems that operate our vehicles nowadays. When was the last time you heard of anyone needing a valve grind and decoke? But the demise of those processes is probably due to fuel quality and computer controlled air/fuel mixture. 

[nomadpete]

Tis curious how hard it is to get a car serviced in recent years. I have to book 3 months ahead for ours. As noted above, the only actual work is usually oil filter and engine oil change.

And hopefully a look at brake pads etc.

 

Last time, I  did my own oil change and filter - cost me about $85.

 

Nowadays  I'm not agile enough to crawl under cars.

[nomadpete]

Ongoing service costs and inconvenience will send more people to buy an EV.

[facthunter]

Ah the Bitsofmishi Triton. The one you can't friton.  What a TERRIBLE AD, Nev

[maxhr54]

On the topic of warranties, what does everyone think of the Mitsubishi 10 year, 10 years capped servicing, 200,000km warranty ?
Is that legit ?

 

seems generous to me.

 

[old man emu]

56 minutes ago, nomadpete said:

Ongoing service costs and inconvenience will send more people to buy an EV.

You still have to service consumables such as brakes and tyres, wheel alignment and so on. But those things are not covered by warranty, which is fair enough.

 

39 minutes ago, maxhr54 said:

On the topic of warranties, what does everyone think of the Mitsubishi 10 year, 10 years capped servicing, 200,000km warranty ?
Is that legit ? seems generous to me.

 

I think it shows the manufacturer's faith in the product, and indicates the quality standard that has been reached in mass produced motor vehicles. 

[nomadpete]

1 hour ago, old man emu said:

You still have to service consumables such as brakes and tyres, wheel alignment and so on. But those things are not covered by warranty, which is fair enough.

True, but my brake pads/rotors generally last 200,000km.

In that time my ute requires 20 general services @ over $150 per service. Not to mention a twice yearly inconvenience to do them.

 

Yes tyre costs are the same.

 

Now, what was your point about ongoing service costs, compared to an electric motor?

Edited Sunday at 08:16 AM by nomadpete

[Jerry_Atrick]

I remember when I was working in the US abut 25 years ago or so, there was an ad for some Chrysler that had very long service intervals. A quick search found this forum saying 2 years unlimited mileage but I recall it being per mileage and a lot longer: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=915296

 

Anyway, apparently the Mini Countryman, at least in Aus, as an "on condition" servicing regime (fast forward to 14:10 of this vid):

 

So, even if older cars have long intervals, I would not buy one second hand with too many miles on the clock.

 

My parnter has a Countryman - same colour - but I drive it the most since 2020, when the ULEZ charge was brought in London, as ours meets emissions requirements and we don't have to pay. We bought it witn 1,000 miles on the clock and touch wood, nothing gone wrong with it with almost 50K miles (not kms) on the clock. Because of the London ULEZ charge, I use it going to London (it is exempt of the charge), so now, most of its driving is motorway miles. However, I ensure it (and the XC90) have their oil changed 6 monthly/5K miles and a service every 10K miles regardless.

 

Edited Sunday at 09:17 AM by Jerry_Atrick

[facthunter]

Good filters ,oils and quick warm-ups, help them last. Modern cars are brilliant. really. They GO. They stop, steer & handle well and the door handles don't fall off. and you don't have to fiddle with and grease them.  ELECTRIC vehicles maintenance is a fraction of what ICE and particularly. hybrid  cars are..  Nev

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

They stop, steer & handle well

Not so my 2016 Cerato, it has the worst designed steering in motor vehicle history, the steering ratio is too high, and the ridiculously wide modern tyres dictate to the steering wheel, over 60km/h that is. Electric power steering is crap. I'm on the look-out for something better than that, something with easier steering that doesn't break my wrists.

Edited Sunday at 11:43 PM by Grumpy Old Nasho

[facthunter]

You can find crook ones if you try hard enough. MOST are good today. With FWD . steering has to be done better, to work well, especially with wide (er) tyres.  NEV

[spacesailor]

BMW .iQ Xdrive !

For Sydny auction. 

Just a tip to previous " grumpy " post .

spacesailor

 

Edited yesterday at 01:02 AM by spacesailor
Rephrased

[ClintonB]

21 hours ago, maxhr54 said:

On the topic of warranties, what does everyone think of the Mitsubishi 10 year, 10 years capped servicing, 200,000km warranty ?
Is that legit ?

 

seems generous to me.

 

conditions are that they service it only or reverts to 7 years on drive train