Who is Elon Musk really?

[octave]

5 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

You still only had to go to 2.58mins in the vid to view them, and they are exactly the same as what you just posted, except there was only 3 in that Newsweek fact check .... the vid had 8. The vid is where I first saw the pics.

 

You can freeze frame video of any one of us and probably find that gesture. Can you supply a link  that shows the whole movement that led to those freeze frames?  The Musk thing is not a freeze frame we can see the whole gesture repeated twice. I do not know his meaning and it is not of great interest to me however neo-Nazis believe it was significant.   Surely Musk should clarify that it wasn't a nod to the far right.   The problem is that Musk IS a fan of the far right and seeks to interfere in other countries' politics. but perhaps you are OK with that.

[facthunter]

All this stuff is pretty much a beat up and repeated ad Nauseum  He thinks HE can tell everyone what to do. Great mate of Nigel Farage UKIP Leader and brexit lover.  Nev

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

"The problem is that Musk IS a fan of the far right and seeks to interfere in other countries' politics. but perhaps you are OK with that."

 

Bob Hawk interfered in South Africa's politics. And nearly all our politicians interfered in Vietnam's politics, so much so they even committed troops over there to join in that so-called policing action, why did they do that when in the end they became very good friends with them and eventually doing lots of trade?

 

Who was OK with those? A majority of Australia's voting public.

Edited Monday at 03:51 AM by Grumpy Old Nasho

[facthunter]

They don't DO "Long term" effects. The voters wouldn't Understand ,  What do We want ? Everything. When do We want it ? NOW (If not sooner). Soh Far ME Dough.  DONNA pay Da Taxes.  Nev

[old man emu]

40 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

You still only had to go to 2.58mins in the vid to view them

Might I suggest a procedure to be used when someone wants to direct attention to a particular part of a video? The procedure would be to identify the time in the video that is relevant to the discussion. 

 

If I want to avoid others wasting time watching what is not relevant in a video, but want them to view something that illustrates a point I want to make, I like to identify that section by directing the viewer to a particular point in the video which I call a timestamp. All a person has to do is start the video, then click on the red bar at the bottom of the video and drag the dot along to the position of the time stamp. 

[octave]

8 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

Bob Hawk interfered in South Africa' politics.

As did Malcolm Fraser and civilized politicians around the world.

 

9 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

And nearly all our politicians interfered in Vietnam's politics, so much so they even committed troops

Which resulted in thousands of deaths. 

 

Musk has enormous financial resources and therefore can exert tremendous influence.   The people he is supporting are pretty hideous but perhaps you don't share that assessment.   It is my understanding that most countries have laws restricting donations from foreign entities.  

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

23 minutes ago, octave said:

40 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

Bob Hawk interfered in South Africa' politics.

As did Malcolm Fraser and civilized politicians around the world.

Well then, it seems that Musk has precedents set for him. That's all he's doing, following in the footsteps of past interfering figures.

Edited Monday at 04:22 AM by Grumpy Old Nasho

[octave]

9 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

Well then, it seems that Musk has precedents to follow. That's all he's doing, following in the footsteps of past interfering figures.

This does not make it right. Throughout history countries and people have done all sorts of things which are less acceptable now.   I take it you approve of these far-right organisations

[Jerry_Atrick]

With all due respect, this is now getting puerile. He is not following any precedents as these interfering figures are a) elected; and b) accountable in ways that a private citizen wit a massive amount of wealth isn't. And, regardless, what's the point? That one wrong is bad, but two wrongs is OK? 

 

Doesn't bode well for the future, now, does it?

 

Oh, the other puerile response of how the newsweek article only covered three of the 8 pollies screen grabs of alleged national salutes doesn't change the fact they were all stills and likely to have been taken out of context. To be equally silly, I only searched for the navigation salute of one of those pollies and got three.. so, there!

 

It's clear from your posts that while you claim to dislike political parties, your bias to a political ideology  is quite strong. That is your preogatve. It's OK to say you are right wing. These may be your values. Heck, there are things Trump is doing that I agree with, too.. 

 

But using BS to justify it? Expect to be challenged.. and quite frankly, and I am not accusing you of this at all, but finding BS (aka propaganda) to justify a view is what those wanting to be radicalised do, isn't it?

Edited Monday at 04:48 AM by Jerry_Atrick

[old man emu]

I think that the action that Musk performed is not a form of salute common in Germany between 1923 and 1945. That German salute involves locking the elbow and wrist and extending the arm vertically, parallel to the centreline of the body. It does not involve a cross-body movement from the left. The action is called the Roman salute as it is depicted in Ancient Roman art.

 

Perhaps he knew exactly what he was doing. He carried out an innocuous action with the intent that people took a false meaning. Either that, or he doesn't know the proper way to do the German salute.

[facthunter]

WHO really CARES???? It's the Myriad other things he does and says and the things he's likely to DO that are of far more Import.   Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

1 hour ago, old man emu said:

I think that the action that Musk performed is not a form of salute common in Germany between 1923 and 1945. That German salute involves locking the elbow and wrist and extending the arm vertically, parallel to the centreline of the body. It does not involve a cross-body movement from the left. The action is called the Roman salute as it is depicted in Ancient Roman art.

 

Perhaps he knew exactly what he was doing. He carried out an innocuous action with the intent that people took a false meaning. Either that, or he doesn't know the proper way to do the German salute.

You're quite right - but look at the video from Swollen Pickles that I posted above. The resemblence to what typifies modern day salutes for facism is very similar... and as Octave has pointed out, the facism/nazism groups are taking it as an endorsement or recognition of their movement.

 

 

[facthunter]

People SEE what THEY WANT to SEE. Musk has a Daughter who comments often.   Nev

[octave]

On 27/01/2025 at 12:44 PM, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

You only had to go to 2.58 mins to see the salutes displayed by 8 other prominent figures, which is what you asked me to post.

In our old age we all have short memories, I understand that.

 

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

Those Democrats pics themselves are not a good look for naive viewers seeing the pics for the first time, just the pics.

Musk hit his chest before outstretching his arm. It was a "My heart goes out to you" gesture.

It's pretty trivial anyway, it's just that the lefties were intent on rubbishing Elon Musk ... but it backfired on them, ha ha, better luck next time.

[spacesailor]

Isn't that same salute.  A Roman salute .

spacesailor

[octave]

I have no idea what Musk's intentions were I would not assert anything.  Prominent far-right-wingers have posted suggesting they believe he is one of them.  He surely should be making it clear to those far-right-wingers that is not what he meant. He then addressed the German far-right AfD party.

8 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

it's just that the lefties were intent on rubbishing Elon Musk

BS Anyone on this forum knows that I have been an enthusiastic supporter of Tesla such that until recently I owned shares in his company.  I still think he has achieved amazing things in the EV field and in the space industry but he is a right-wing crank. You must surely agree that the stills going around of democrat pollies are misleading. I have no opinion on what Musks gesture meant and I don't care. Perhaps just the weird behaviour of someone on Ketimine (that's not an allegation he admits it)

[octave]

GON I am curious, do you support Trump's pick for health secretary? Also, did you watch any of the confirmation hearings?