Jerry_Atrick Posted January 30 Posted January 30 5 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: Those Democrats pics themselves are not a good look for naive viewers seeing the pics for the first time, just the pics. Musk hit his chest before outstretching his arm. It was a "My heart goes out to you" gesture. Isn't this the problem? People making their mind up using an out of context still picture, which, if they had an incling of what was going on around them would have thought, "Hang on, that doesn't seem the right behaviour for these people; I'll check it out a bit more before I make up my mind?", if at all they cared that much.. Yet, you7 have the Roman, or modern day facust salute in a full video, not taken out of context, and no clarification of its meaning or rejection oif facists/nazists alignment with him, and, hey,. it's OK... 2 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: When I say "lefties", I mean the neo far-left progressive humanists. They are totally off the chart compared to the lefties I knew years ago, Inwhat way exactly? Unlike those neo-far right facists that use violence and are considerd a terrorsit threat - never hear of the far left worrying the likes of ASIO, MI5 and the like... You know, they are well within reason, are they? I agree - anyone id is far whatever ideology is out of their mind... But, please, a little balance. Musk hasn't resiled from the alignment stuff. "My Heart goes out to you".. .yeah... to whom? Who's his audience - righties - and many are far right... And he has used a salure they all know, love, and claim.. and don't tell me he doesn't know it. As I have said, it in itself doesn't mean Musk is a facist, nazo, or whatever, but the evidence is he is playing up to them.
Grumpy Old Nasho Posted January 30 Posted January 30 Whatever, Jerry You'll see it all here - "Thanks for making it happen" (the election win) - "My heart goes out to you, thank you"
Jerry_Atrick Posted January 30 Posted January 30 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: Whatever, Jerry Whatever what? Many assertions, no answers when questioned.. 8 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: You'll see it all here - "Thanks for making it happen" (the election win) - "My heart goes out to you, thank you" I've seen it, but you sort of missed my point... "My heart goes out to you.. thank you.." Could me "My heart goes out to you... [mad nutcase right wingers] ... Thank you!" Right wingers align with him and very publicy state, on his own mass (anti) social media platform he endorses them and he is a part of them... And from Elon on this... silence... So.. year.. you're right GON... whatever... I am not saying Musk is one.. but he sure seems to be playing up to them.. And 1930s Germany didn't start with them coming out all guns blazing.. subtle things that were shugged off as "whatever".. And.. remember.. it is not your left wing radicals that are on the security services watch lists... Edited January 30 by Jerry_Atrick
Grumpy Old Nasho Posted January 30 Posted January 30 5 minutes ago, Jerry_Atrick said: And.. remember.. it is not your left wing radicals that are on the security services watch lists... That's why the voters thought it wise to elect Trump, to tame the lefty radicals in Congress and the States. No one else could muster the intestinal fortitude to bring them to heel. It had to be done for the sake of law and order.
Jerry_Atrick Posted January 30 Posted January 30 Let me recap your logic.. The lefties are not a security threat; the righties are... and that is why the voters thought it was wise to elect Trump - to tame the lefties? I believe some of them may already be feeling buyer's remorse.. as they fell for the MSM pushing him.. er.. I meam marketing of him: We'll see how the trend continues.. I read (not in the above) the mass pardons were a particular bugbear on the people.
old man emu Posted January 30 Posted January 30 I think that you have to look at the reactions to all those Executive Orders. A lot of them have been stopped by legal action. Even the military is saying that it won't comply with the Order to remove DEI from its policies. Trump has been blowing off about introducing tariffs. Has anyone heard that they have been introduced? His deportation policy has resulted in a lot of harassment of true US citizens, based on physical appearance Someone commented that you don't see many Asian or Europeans amongst the deportees.
red750 Posted January 31 Posted January 31 A guy on Facebook complained that he voted for Trump, but his Latino wife, who didn't have the correct documents, got deported. Got absolutely no sympathy. Main thrust of replies was "Serves you right for voting for him. He said what he would do." 1
onetrack Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Millions more imbeciles out there who will suddenly wake up soon, that they voted in the worlds biggest con man. BS promises to reduce inflation, reduce the cost of living, reduce energy costs, will all soon be forgotten, and the instant anything adverse appears, it was all the Democrats fault.
Grumpy Old Nasho Posted January 31 Posted January 31 13 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said: Let me recap your logic.. The lefties are not a security threat; the righties are... and that is why the voters thought it was wise to elect Trump - to tame the lefties? The radical lefties are/were a security threat. Just because they are not on a watch list, doesn't mean they are not a threat to the "well being" of the United States. Hence the election of someone at the other end of the political spectrum to bring the US back from the brink of the left's revolutionary socialism, and that's the direction it was heading in under the Democrats, Sanders, and to some extent, the Republican RINOs. 1
rgmwa Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) The radical elements of either side are a threat to the "well being" of any country, which is why Trump and his MAGA cronies are such a threat to America's well-being. The direction it's heading in under Trump is a reflection of himself - division, incompetency and chaos. Edited January 31 by rgmwa 1 1
Grumpy Old Nasho Posted January 31 Posted January 31 After Trump has restored law and order, the pendulum can start swinging back towards the center with future administrations, creating stability once more, without the nonsense of radical leftwing extremist ideology, it's being shunned around the Western World, and so it should. 2
rgmwa Posted January 31 Posted January 31 The problem is Trump won't restore law and order because he is intent on undermining it for his own benefit, and his associates are working to ensure that future administrations keep his right wing agenda going. Hopefully, if the pendulum swings the other way soon it will knock him off his perch. 1
rgmwa Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) Incidentally, what do you mean by `radical leftwing extremist ideology'? What do you see as its main aims? Edited January 31 by rgmwa 1
Grumpy Old Nasho Posted January 31 Posted January 31 1 hour ago, rgmwa said: Incidentally, what do you mean by `radical leftwing extremist ideology'? What do you see as its main aims? It's the internationalization and socialization of Nations' politics, with the aim of creating a World Government which would "prevent" wars and feed the poverty stricken. Control our travel and carbon footprint. 1
rgmwa Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) The nearest thing we have to a world government now is the United Nations, and they're not. There's no way that the countries of the world could ever be corralled into a functioning World Government. Feeding the poverty stricken is a worthy aim that most countries try to do. Controlling our travel and carbon footprint is a non-starter. If that's what radical leftwing extremist ideology is, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Edited January 31 by rgmwa 1
Grumpy Old Nasho Posted January 31 Posted January 31 It's the intentional chaos in the interim that bothers me and millions of other people. Voters are waking up, and it's not before time. 1
rgmwa Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Apart from Trump in the USA and Putin in Russia, who are both creating their own chaos but neither of whom are capable of creating a World Government, who else is intentionally creating leftist chaos in some sort of coordinated international fashion? The most controversial political parties in places like France and Germany are right wing, not left wing. 1 3
Jerry_Atrick Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) 3 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: After Trump has restored law and order, the pendulum can start swinging back towards the center with future administrations, creating stability once more, without the nonsense of radical leftwing extremist ideology, it's being shunned around the Western World, and so it should. I am not sure of you are just trolling; but if not, you are clearly deluded. Trump's pardoning of all of the Capiitol rioters, whilst legal, wasn't exactly, as you quoted, creating stability and allowed many volaitle criminals back into society, some sentenced for over 20 years for their act - by replublican, not democratic judges. And, what is this stability you speak of, exactly - his modus operarndi is turmoil and distraction. For example, his DOGE, which I agree with in principle, is likely to be executed stably if it is well planned and gradual; take a knife and a big slice and holes will be left everywhere. And, of course, he acts within the pillar of the law himself, right.. in personal and professonal duties. Let's forget the historical ones which are well documented. So far a judge has blocked his attempt to illegally unilaterally change the constitution, his illegal attempt to deny human rights to his own citizens in a way that would have imperiled them, his illegal attempt to freeze federal funding that would have left millions of his citizens (remember, undocumented migrants can't get federal government help) starving, and a couple of others.. all based on.. illegalites of his executive orders. Yet, he hires the smartest. 1 hour ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: It's the internationalization and socialization of Nations' politics, with the aim of creating a World Government which would "prevent" wars and feed the poverty stricken. Control our travel and carbon footprint. Wow... I don't know where you get that from... and let's be honest, isn't that what a right wing contry (i.e. America) has been doing for decades now? With the exception of feeding the poverty stricken, I guess... But I am thinkng you want polarisation and wars, and people to starve - is that correct? Because the above post, osort of leads me to think you are so far from the centre you claim to be, that it would be scary to see wehat your definition of hard right is. Like it or not, we live in a global era brought on by... hang on.. the right wing.. because there was a lot, and still is a lot of money in globalisation. Edited January 31 by Jerry_Atrick 1 1
Jerry_Atrick Posted January 31 Posted January 31 17 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: It's the intentional chaos in the interim that bothers me and millions of other people. Voters are waking up, and it's not before time. What chaos exactly - and not vague claims, but causes and effects would be better.. This is the BS that is spited by the media knowing people only look to the headlines. Until it hits them.. then they change their tune very quickly when the consequences of his policies hit home. 1
onetrack Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Ahhh, the old, "A World Gubbmint is coming to control everything you do", conspiracy! America, the land of total distrust, and conspiracies galore! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_conspiracy_theory 1 1 1
red750 Posted January 31 Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: It's the intentional chaos in the interim that bothers me and millions of other people. Voters are waking up, and it's not before time. Spoken like a true, stuff-you-Jack-I'm-alright, MAGA ratbag. Just because people have empathy for the less fortunate, they;re radical lefties. 1
Grumpy Old Nasho Posted January 31 Posted January 31 The point I've made already is that the pendulum swings one way, then swings the other way - left to right and vise versa. Far left politics will always be countered by far right politics, it's nature at work. Eventually there'll be an equilibrium of sorts in the US, with the pendulum swinging short distances rather than going off the scale at each end. After Trump's current stint, the Democrats will realize, if they haven't already, that Americans are mostly rejecting their careless far left "socialist" policies, and moderate themselves to listen more closely to the voices of concerned citizens. 1
Jerry_Atrick Posted January 31 Posted January 31 2 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: with the pendulum swinging short distances rather than going off the scale at each end. I think you may need to recalibrate your pendulum 1
old man emu Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Gentlemen! Please! Let's' not forget to play the ball, not the man. GON, I disagree with what you have been saying, but I must defend your Right to say it. That's the way we run this forum. However, recently we have begun to demand supporting evidence when a controversial statement is made. A claim such as, The radical lefties are/were a security threat, cannot be plucked from the air and dropped into a post. I agree that some left-leaning people have threatened the security of activities the rest of us consider to be OK. Look at the motto of the French Revolution, Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité. If you were a French aristocrat, you'd consider that a radical leftist motto.
old man emu Posted January 31 Posted January 31 4 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said: Eventually there'll be an equilibrium of sorts in the US I thought that until 2016 there was an equilibrium in the USA. The equilibrium was upset by Trump. During Trump's present stint I think that the MAGA people will see that Trump's ideology is not doing them any good, and they may drift towards a more central position. However, most MAGA people come from an established culture of white supremacy, and we know that cultures take several generations to change. Perhaps the Generation Alpha and the younger amongst the Gen Zs might reflect on the suffering Trumps is causing and have second thoughts about maintaining their parents' culture. 1
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