Who is Elon Musk really?

[old man emu]

The fault in the argument is that it deals with the right of an individual in contrast to the rights of a group. Is it wise to walk into a mosque and unfurl an Israeli flag, or to do the opposite in a synagogue? In either place the action would cause upset to varying degrees. Probably since the beginning of the Industrial Age, our British-based society (and I include the USA here) has developed a societal practice of separating men and women in public places. Sometimes that separation provided a safe refuge for women and that aura of safety remains. That aura is broken if a man enters without reasonable excuse, eg a tradesman coming in to fix something. However, if the man enters without such a task in mind, then is it any wonder that women there would feel threatened?

 

In trying to deal with this matter, I find that I lack an important bit of knowledge. I don't know how a woman's upbringing has shaped her thinking. Don't forget that women have been subjected to the propaganda that unknown males are a safety threat. How a woman deals with that propaganda is the crux of the discussion.

[facthunter]

I must have missed something?  "separate men and women in public places".  Where does that happen in a western society?   Nev

[old man emu]

30 minutes ago, facthunter said:

I must have missed something?  "separate men and women in public places".  Where does that happen in a western society?   Nev

Sorry to not have expanded on that phrasing. "Public places" - anywhere everyone can be in, like a shopping centre, sports ground, public house, toilet block. Think of the old "Ladies' Lounge' in a pub. Change rooms for men and women at swimming pools. Obviously toilets. The Ladies' Stand at Sydney Cricket Ground. A lot of these places are now open to all, but the separation in toilets is still supported in most places. For some reason, women continue to prefer to eliminate away from the presence of men. Probably it is a carry-over of Victorian era ideas of modesty.

[red750]

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[facthunter]

ALL BLOODY PREDICTABLE by anyone with at least 1/2 a brain..  GOOD old Republican party. Blind at the Wheel. TOO busy snarling at each other to see the Looming threat.  Nev

Edited Sunday at 03:47 AM by facthunter

[red750]

He wants share prices to crash so he can buy up at bargain basement prices.

[octave]

Trump’s treasury secretary gives the world’s richest person entry to one of the most sensitive US government databases

[facthunter]

Oh. What an excellent idea. In NORMAL circumstances, Musk wouldn't even get a Security Clearance. Nev

[red750]

https://au.yahoo.com/news/stephen-fry-names-modern-invention-131614815.html

[red750]

[red750]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14354683/Elon-Musk-shuts-USAID-Donald-Trump-approval.html?ito=social-facebook

[facthunter]

Certainly not my favourite source . Look at the tone of the "other" listed articles.  Nev

[Marty_d]

If this doesn't scare you, there's something wrong.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/04/trump-elon-musk-federal-government

[red750]

This could be called a bloodless coup, however, millions WILL be bleeding for a long time. 

 

Just image an unelected individual being given unfettered access to Services Australia and ATO files and downloading them to his own servers. He is like a Russian or Asian hacker, only he has the full support and approval of the President.

[octave]

15 minutes ago, red750 said:

Just image an unelected individual being given unfettered access to Services Australia and ATO files and downloading them to his own servers. He is like a Russian or Asian hacker, only he has the full support and approval of the President.

Absolutely.  The equivalent in this country would be Peter Dutton being elected and giving Gina Rhinehart access to the government department that has our social security and tax records and is responsible for paying pensions etc. As someone who follows space flight, I can tell you that although some higher-ups in Space X have the highest security clearance with NASA Musk does not. Why Elon Musk doesn't have access to all of SpaceX's top secret work: report   and yet he has been given access to sensitive information including private information.  If this doesn't raise alarm bells with Trump fans I don't know what will 

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[Marty_d]

I hope a disgruntled IRS employee publishes Musk and Trump's tax returns on the way out the door.

[red750]

Never thought I'dr quote anything Sarah Hansen Young had to say, but...

 

Elon Musk triggers warning for Aussies

Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young is calling for safeguards to stop tech billionaires gaining greater influence in Australian politics, calling the “control” the likes of Elon Musk wield over the Trump administration “scary”.

 

Donald Trump tasked Mr Musk, the world’s richest person, with cutting back on government spending after the tech baron carried out a charm offensive on the US President in the lead-up to last year’s election.

 

Since Mr Trump entered the White House for a second time last month, several of Mr Musk’s ideas have been given legs.

 

Meta boss Mark Zuckerberg has scrapped fact-checking on Facebook and Instagram in the wake of Mr Trump’s election in a move also broadly seen as favouring the new administration.

 

Senator Hanson-Young, who is also her party’s communications spokeswoman, has long called for greater regulation of big tech.

 

She has backed Labor’s proposals for a digital duty of care and a levy on social media companies to pay for news consumed on their platforms.

 

She also said the Albanese government appeared to be “following tune with the billionaires of just wanting to suck up to Donald Trump rather than taking on the agenda”.

 

“I am concerned that Australia is trying to hide behind the couch and hope that Donald Trump and Musk and Zuckerberg and all of Donald Trump’s billionaire bros don’t notice us,” she told the ABC.

“It’s not the type of politics we need here in Australia.

 

“This creeping in of Trumpian policies into Australia and the type of the control that billionaires have over politics in the US right now is scary and it can’t be allowed to happen here.”

 

But she warned on Wednesday that Labor and the opposition were “starting to crab-walk away from stronger regulations”.

[onetrack]

Trump and Musk's illegal activities are straight out of Germany in 1933. Replace the word "Jews", with "DEI", "Crazy Leftie Democrats", "the Deep State" (a fabrication on a par with the best Nazi lies and propaganda), all the while keeping up the veneer of Democracy and claiming to represent "the will of the German/American people", and the outcome is the death of true democracy in America and the commencement of Rule by Oligarchs.

 

This quote from the Holocaust memorial site is chilling -

 

"Although President Hindenburg and the Reichstag continued to exist, Hitler could now govern by decree."

 

The U.S. no longer has decision-making by Congress or the Senate, it has a defacto "governing by decree", by just one power-crazed individual, aided by a number of super-rich power-crazed individuals.

 

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-role-of-civil-servants

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by onetrack

[old man emu]

How do we determine if someone is "rich". For me to say that I am "rich" I would have to tally up the market value of what I own. But that market value is a reflection of what you would pay me for the ownership of, say, my car. To the common person, a thing which is not a physical object has no value. So it is said that Musk is the wealthiest person in the world, but surely that wealth is not totally in physical things.

 

Isn't his wealth based on the value of his shareholdings? But what, in reality, is a share? A share is a portion of ownership in a company. Owning a share gives the owner the right to a share of the profits made by the company. A share only has real value if it can be sold. So while Musk has wealth 'on paper', that wealth can't be converted into a physical thing, let's say gold, until someone wants to buy it. If nobody want to buy it, then the share has no value. So, the majority of Musk's wealth is fictitious.

[rgmwa]

That makes the quoted value of my superannuation balance fictitious too. Now you've got me worried.

 

[red750]

WIRED magazine, the reporters who initially broke the story of Elon Musk's team accessing our Social Security data, has just a new development.
Elon Musk's team is introducing backdoor code into the Social Security payment system, thereby rendering the $6 trillion system compromised and inoperable. In short, Elon Musk and his team are committing a multi-trillion financial terrorist operation on our own government. 
A billionaires coup in plain sight. Without a single shot fired.

 

[old man emu]

Have you noticed how quiet the MAGA people are, as their Constitutional Rights are being ridden over? 

[Marty_d]

They're too thick to understand what's happening.

"We trust that Our Great and Glorious Leader Saint Donald has a plan to deliver us from the clutches of those evil transgender LGBTQI far left socialist bastards who want to bring in horrible things like low cost health care."