Who is Elon Musk really?

[Marty_d]

The more this stuff comes out, the more I think "If only that bullet was 2 inches to the right".

[old man emu]

26 minutes ago, Marty_d said:

The more this stuff comes out, the more I think "If only that bullet was 2 inches to the right".

Good things come to those who wait.

[red750]

There is currently a global boycott of Tesla vehicles, US voters are calling the Senate and House switchboards hammering lawmakers with 2,000 calls a minute, Trump's polling numbers are dramatically falling. 

 

[facthunter]

The names of those who are not grateful will be noted for future attention.  Nev

[onetrack]

Just wait until every Trump voter ends up with several jobless family members, thanks to Trumps Govt cost-cutting, there'll be a large degree of "buyer remorse".

[Marty_d]

It was obvious what a useless turd he was the first time around. Anyone who voted for him this time - or didn't bother voting - has no right to complain now.

[rgmwa]

Trump won't be at all happy when he notices that Musk's increasing unpopularity starts rubbing off on his own approval ratings. He already won't be happy about Musk appearing on the cover of Time sitting behind his desk. The cozy relationship may start to develop a few cracks.

 

Edited February 14 by rgmwa

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

16 hours ago, Marty_d said:

The more this stuff comes out, the more I think "If only that bullet was 2 inches to the right".

You proved what I was thinking, that lefties believe in violent assassinations. Would you pull the trigger?

[octave]

5 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

You proved what I was thinking, that lefties believe in violent assassinations

Unlike the righties ehh?

 

Jan 6 mob threatens to hang Mike Pence during hearings Share Facebook Twitter

 

 

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

It was one side of lefties I didn't think existed, although I've met union delegates who probably wouldn't hesitate, some of them were pretty scary.

[octave]

17 hours ago, Marty_d said:

The more this stuff comes out, the more I think "If only that bullet was 2 inches to the right".

 

This is a humorous statement.  As far as I know, Marty does not own a gun however the right wongers on Jan 6 DID build a gallows.  I believe their threats were very real and every right-thinking person should strongly condemn these right-wing morons. 

[Marty_d]

20 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

You proved what I was thinking, that lefties believe in violent assassinations. Would you pull the trigger?

Would I kill Trump? No.

 

Would I in any way seek to achieve or encourage that goal? No.

 

But would I be sad if he died from any cause including that? Only if there were other casualties.

 

I don't "believe" in violent assassinations. Or even non violent ones.

 

Let me ask you a question though.

 

Knowing what you know now, would you be upset if someone managed to kill Hitler before Kristallnacht, Stalin in 1945, Bin Ladin before 2001?

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

You said what you said, Hitler or no Hitler and the others. The leaders I had little sympathy for but wouldn't have killed, were: Menzies & Co, Johnson, and Nixon, all of whom knew they were killing tens of thousands of people without justification.

[octave]

FAA Leader Quit Before D.C. Plane Crash—Thanks to Elon Musk

 

The administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration, Michael Whitaker, resigned from his position on January 20 after repeated demands from Elon Musk that he quit, leaving the agency without a Senate-confirmed leader during a major crisis in the wake of the D.C. plane crash.

Musk called for Whitaker’s resignation in September after the FAA chief proposed fining Musk’s company SpaceX over $600,000 in civil penalties for failing to follow license requirements during two launches in 2023. Whitaker told a congressional panel at the time that fines were “the only tool we have to get compliance on safety matters.”

[octave]

Elon Musk's DOGE takes aim at agency that had plans of regulating X

 

"The fact that Musk is now engaged in payment businesses that would be regulated by the CFPB at the same time he's trying to tear down the CFPB puts in sharp relief the conflicts of interests here and how much this disserves the general public," said Richard Cordray, who led the CFPB under President Barack Obama. "The whole situation is rife with conflicts of interest."

 

 

[facthunter]

CORRUPTION UNLIMITED. Here WE go.  Nev

[old man emu]

2 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

You proved what I was thinking, that lefties believe in violent assassinations. Would you pull the trigger?

FFS GON, if you are going to continue your membership here, wake up to the fact that many times people here post statements the likes of Marty's which are to be taken as satirical. The rest of us know what Marty intended, and had a chuckle. Of course we don't condone assassination as a solution to problems. 

 

So man, chill.

[Litespeed]

OME,

 

Normally I would agree, but shit appears to be getting real serious and real people are going die potentially in huge numbers.

 

Anyone who puts a end to this disastrous dictatorship will be judged by history for the times we live.

 

Would I have killed Hitler...probably giving the opportunity.

 

We live in violent world where millions suffer the whims of murderous dictators.

How many will die in ethnic cleansing of Gaza? 

Millions die fighting others soldiers but the leader is always considered safe, the piper should pay the price.

In a dictatorship where the rule of law is not robust, in the end violence sadly tends to be the only solution.

 

Better to be applied to the very few than the masses.

[facthunter]

The POOR have always been oppressed when the rich Get their way. It was EVER thus. Nev

[red750]

[Jerry_Atrick]

5 hours ago, Litespeed said:

How many will die in ethnic cleansing of Gaza? 

Really.. Facts don;t seem to support this assertion.. If Israel wanted to ethnically cleanse Gaza, they have had the capability for a vey long time. Given that, and the soccalled genocide, you would think population numbers have been dwindling. Why, even in the war (which is it asserted Hamas include militants and those that die of normal causes), the population has increased, but the population has increased over time: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1422981/gaza-total-population/

 

 

So, even in Israel, there has been an increase in Palestinian population over time. Hardly an ethnic cleansing I would state, and apart fromt eh West Bank, they live in relative peace (lately it has been difficult yes), and with equal rights

 

Why am I bringing this up., Because we accuse GON of being wilfully ignorant of the facts, yet on this (and others) people continue that wilful ignorance and deem it acceptable.

 

Let's start practicing what we preach..

 

BTW, how many jews live in most of the Arab states these days compared to days gone by?

 

 

 

Edited February 14 by Jerry_Atrick

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

Some Palestinians would like ethnic cleanse some Jews though

 

This will get swept under the carpet as much as it possibly can be. It's a bloody shame isn't it?

 

https://www.9news.com.au/national/bankstown-nurses-full-footage-of-social-media-video-shared-of-sydney-nurses/0be55635-cd22-48e0-ab4d-28d22bb8dd5c

[Litespeed]

Jerry,

 

I was referring not to the war crimes as per the ICC have indited Netanyahu for. 

 

I was referring to the new 2nd coming of Trump. He has already actively pushed the idea of removing the entire population of Palestinians to be refugees and develop a new resort paradise for the approved rich.

 

That is the very definition of ethnic cleansing and the UN, ICC and 80 plus years of law agree on this.

 

This plays perfectly into Netanyahu's hands as he has been supporting 'settler' violence to displace Palestinians in the West bank.

 

They have long planned for the "resettlement" of the Palestinian population and after turning the world's largest refugee camp/prison into rubble. Trump has a great idea for a new 'Riviera'. 

 

I don't know what equal rights you speak off, because on the ground the vast numbers of deaths are innocent children , mother's and fathers. 

  

Bombing and collapsing a block of units with hundreds dead or hospitals doesn't sound equal at all. 

 

 

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

3 hours ago, Litespeed said:

I was referring to the new 2nd coming of Trump. He has already actively pushed the idea of removing the entire population of Palestinians to be refugees and develop a new resort paradise for the approved rich.

I did forget to mention "unless you are talking about the ludicrous Trump plan"... Yes. that is totally nuts and ethnic cleansing.

 

3 hours ago, Litespeed said:

I don't know what equal rights you speak off, because on the ground the vast numbers of deaths are innocent children , mother's and fathers. 

In Israel? I don't recall Palestinians being subject to that... In Israel, Palestinians to have equal rights (West Bank excepted - but that is lack of enforcement, than law).

 

3 hours ago, Litespeed said:

Bombing and collapsing a block of units with hundreds dead or hospitals doesn't sound equal at all. 

No, but maybe you should ask Hamas about that.. Remember, Israel are legitimately pursuing Hamas. Hamas are alleged to choose to hide under hospitals, schools, and the like.. Even so,that does not equal  ethnic cleansing.

 

3 hours ago, Litespeed said:

This plays perfectly into Netanyahu's hands as he has been supporting 'settler' violence to displace Palestinians in the West bank.

 

They have long planned for the "resettlement" of the Palestinian population and after turning the world's largest refugee camp/prison into rubble. Trump has a great idea for a new 'Riviera'. 

Ex. the Trump thing, I think you may want to check your facts again. I am nto sure Netanyahu has, for his entire time as PM, really supported the violence. He has since October 7, but again, the way I read it, it is not in itself to detry Gaza and display Palestinians, but to get Hamas. The Israeli army today askes the Gazan citizns to move to safer areas well before they start an operation.

 

In terms of long planned for the resettlement of Palestinians... I think you're forgetting a few things.. Both sides wanted it all. In 1947, the Jews were willing to compromise and that laanded them in a war. In 1967, in 1978, who kept on at it. The state of Israel has many times handed bnack land they captured after being attacked as an olive branch for peace.. including the whole Sinai peninsula after the '67 war. In 1978, war was wreaked on them again. Hang on.. what for.. to eradicate Israel off the map. Is that not the very definition of both ethnic cleansing and genocide? The fact they were not competent to do it is a differnt thing altogether (US assistance didn't come to Israel until the end of the 78 war, after the US dissuaded Israel from a preventative strike as in teh case of 67, and with Israel's back against the ropes, their PM threatened to use the nukes they neither confiirm nor deny having)..

 

So, over the long term so far, it would appear, that Israel was willing to have peaceful co-existence, but the variousl Palestinian political/military organisations were not really wanting it. The go to the 90s, and Bill Clinton has recently come out and said the Yasser Arafat effecively lied to about what it would take for a peace deal - all of Gaza, Easst Jerusalem, and 90 something (I tink it was 96%) of the West Bank was offered. At the last minute, Arafat declined the offer. If that is true, then, who is it that is not willing  to reach a settlement.. So, yeah, after all this time, if I were in Israel's position, I would be sort of be wary of the whole thing. Everyone is calling for a two state solution as they have been for years.. I would suggest Israel wasn't the main barrier to this on the facts.

 

And remember, Iran is alleged to be the financiaers and true masters of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, or whatever they are called, and their primary aim does not seem to be a Palestinian state, but the destruction of Israel, and, from the Hamas Covenant: "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.' (Article 7): https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

 

Now, I am sure that if the feeling is mutual with the Israelies (or more accurately, in this case, the Jews), but if it is they either don't believe it, or they are incredibly incompetent.. Somehow, I think it is that the feeling is not mutual.

 

Again, I have done this to death, but somehow, it is Israel that is the ethnic cleanser?

 

 

3 hours ago, Litespeed said:

I was referring not to the war crimes as per the ICC have indited Netanyahu for.

Ask yourself this. Hamas has an ICC warrant out for targeting citizens.. That is pretty obvious. Netayahu does as well, even though under the geneva convention no one owes a duty of care to citizens in fighting combatants.. they are forbidden from targetting citizend specifically.. Now, move to the Ukraine war.. Putin has targeted citizens (bombed hospitals, schools, apartment blocks, etc) in a country that, like Israel, delinieates its military and citizens. Putin has also, at least, inter alia, wreaked colelctive punishment on citizens of Ukraine by targeting infrastructure to freeze Ukrainians in winter, etc. Yet what is his ICC warrant? Shipping some kids off to Russia: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/03/russia-iccs-arrest-warrant-against-putin-step-towards-justice/

 

That 80 years of legal experience seems to apply differently depending on who it is, I would suggest. That is not to say Netanyahu should not face the charge and have his day in court, but somehow, therre doesn't appear to be consistency applied. Yes, the number oif Ukrainian citizeens killed is less than Gaza, but that is also because Ukraine, like most European countries tend to protect their citizens and not use them as sheilds.

 

That is not to say Israel is perfect or not without doing wrong. The capture of the West Bank was for a buffe to keep civilians safe and they should not have settled it.. it was a red rag to a bull, and wrong. But, on the other hand if you wage war, you may win,but if you lose, you can expect to lose terriroty, too.. But, stil, given the sensitivities here, it is is wrong. And, yes, there are instances of Israeli military war crimes - but are they systematic of individuals/groups? Israel has prosecuted military personnel for war crimes against Palestinains... I am not sure Hamas has done the same? Australia also has alleged war criminals that are not facing a court to test the evidence.

 

I could go on.. My point was that no matter what the facts are, people's minds seem to be made up on this.. and it is ususally one way.. That seems OK for some things but not OK for others.

 

Fopr the record, the Palestinians seem to be th pawns in this sordid affair.

Edited February 14 by Jerry_Atrick

[Jerry_Atrick]

(Sorry about the typos.. was all done on a phone and I have fat fingers).