Who is Elon Musk really?

[Jerry_Atrick]

13 minutes ago, old man emu said:

entlemen! Please!  Let's' not forget to play the ball, not the man.

I was playing the ball.. So, I will clarify what I meant:

18 minutes ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

Eventually there'll be an equilibrium of sorts in the US, with the pendulum swinging short distances rather than going off the scale at each end. After Trump's current stint.......

It would appear from 2016 - 2020, the pendulim was way off the scale, after a period of 2020 - 2024 it stabilisng somewhat, but yes, with some kinks.. no doubt.. the start of the Trump presedency has had the pendulum swinging at amplitudes even greater than the last to solve what problems exactly? So much so, the courts seem to think it is going off the scale.

 

Again, I think GON needs to calibrate his pendulum (i.e. the one he is watching), because it doesn't seem to meet reality.

 

(I sort of thought it was obvious given the thread and the wild claims being made as reality).

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

6 minutes ago, old man emu said:

A claim such as, The radical lefties are/were a security threat, cannot be plucked from the air and dropped into a post.

 

6 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

The radical lefties are/were a security threat. Just because they are not on a watch list, doesn't mean they are not a threat to the "well being" of the United States.

The full context of it in my post is my qualification for making the remark.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

25 minutes ago, old man emu said:

During Trump's present stint I think that the MAGA people will see that Trump's ideology is not doing them any good, and they may drift towards a more central position.

I've no doubt they will, once the extremes are put to rest, both left and right. Then things can get back to normal, no unnecessary wars, law and order in it's true sense, only one interpretation of the Constitution, and proper control of the borders and immigration.

[rgmwa]

2 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

After Trump's current stint, the Democrats will realize, if they haven't already, that Americans are mostly rejecting their careless far left "socialist" policies, and moderate themselves to listen more closely to the voices of concerned citizens.

And perhaps the Republicans will realise, if they haven’t already, that the other Americans (ie non- Republicans) are mostly rejecting their far right “conservative” policies, and more closely listen to the voices of concerned (non-Republican) citizens.

[Marty_d]

7 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

After Trump has restored law and order, the pendulum can start swinging back towards the center with future administrations, creating stability once more, without the nonsense of radical leftwing extremist ideology, it's being shunned around the Western World, and so it should.

You're taking the piss, aren't you. No one can be this delusional.

[Litespeed]

54 minutes ago, Marty_d said:

You're taking the piss, aren't you. No one can be this delusional.

Sadly they can.

 

To me it's obvious that mental health funding and support is badly under resourced.

 

Delusion  is rampant and can not be merely passed off as legitimate discussion or opinions.

 

As a trained mental health worker 

Sometimes we need to schedule a person for theirs and societies safety.

 

I am not going to play the man but rather the illness and hope health care with time can help.

 

GON...you need help to contact reality.

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

I'm getting that help from you learned gentlemen, when you think crime and chaos resulting from ignominious "progressive humanist" policies is a good thing, I will think it's a bad thing, and say so. What's worse, is the refusal by citizens to admit there is normalization of all the problems causing the decay of Western societies.

 

 

[rgmwa]

Which progressive humanist policies are you talking about?

[pmccarthy]

This is a scary forum. I agree with GON almost entirely. I suspect other like-thinkers have already fled the forum or are watching from afar with amusement. In the real world, I personally know very few people of my generation who do not have conservative values and who would advocate the continuation of "progressive" Democrat destructive policies, which derive from the hippy movement in California. Instead, we believe for example:

• only one flag, the flag of Australia, should be flown by government at any level.
• for official records there are only two sexes and they can't be changed.
• Men should not be allowed in women's sport or toilets. And vice versa.
• government should, to the greatest extent possible, get out of our lives.
• immigrants should be encouraged to integrate, not form enclaves.
• environmental initiatives should be based on well-researched science, not on feel-good lobbying.

And so on, and so on.

 

[octave]

7 minutes ago, pmccarthy said:

environmental initiatives should be based on well-researched science, not on feel-good lobbying

Yes, we should rely on peer-reviewed science from well-respected scientists and organisations, not from unqualified think tanks masquerading as scientists. 

[nomadpete]

4 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

crime and chaos resulting from ignominious "progressive humanist" policies

Well that is a interesting statement, that in my opinion fails to be true.

 

With respect, Grumps, please clarify what these (ignominious "progressive humanist") policies are? You seem to be saying that current crime rates are a result of governmental policies. I cannot see the connection.

Most crime can be traced back to either cultural origin (early education,  and upbringing), or mental health.

 

Eg  "give me the child for the first 7 years, and I'll show you the man".

 

Nuf said. Not government policy.

I'm going back to more productive threads.

Edited Friday at 09:09 PM by nomadpete

[Jerry_Atrick]

Obviousy, we wouldn't want this fella in the women's toilet because he identifies as a female:

 

But wait.. under the laws envisaged by trump, that is exactly where this fella will have to go: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/26/patricio-manuel-the-first-transgender-pro-boxer-represents-everlast.html

 

And of course, we would not want this sheila to be able to go to women's toilet, right:

 

But, under the laws proposed, well, fellas, enjoy your perve:

https://intranet.ulc.edu.pe/understanding-the-controversy/exploring-the-world-of-blonde-shemale-tips-reviews-and-insights-for-2024.html

(Look tot he bottom of the page).

 

 

 

But, she would be sent to the male toilet under the new laws:

 

[Marty_d]

3 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

This is a scary forum. I agree with GON almost entirely. I suspect other like-thinkers have already fled the forum or are watching from afar with amusement. In the real world, I personally know very few people of my generation who do not have conservative values and who would advocate the continuation of "progressive" Democrat destructive policies, which derive from the hippy movement in California. Instead, we believe for example:

• only one flag, the flag of Australia, should be flown by government at any level.
• for official records there are only two sexes and they can't be changed.
• Men should not be allowed in women's sport or toilets. And vice versa.
• government should, to the greatest extent possible, get out of our lives.
• immigrants should be encouraged to integrate, not form enclaves.
• environmental initiatives should be based on well-researched science, not on feel-good lobbying.

And so on, and so on.

 

Do you see any conflict between your first 3 wishes and the fourth?

[Marty_d]

To @Grumpy Old Nasho and @pmccarthy - can you please list the crime rates (apart from Internet scams) that have got worse under this fictional far left regime controlling your life?

[facthunter]

Believing only what you want Is voluntary self delusion.  You will end up unprepared for the blindingly obvious. Ignorance is BLISS.  Nev

[pmccarthy]

Do you see any conflict between your first 3 wishes and the fourth?

 

None at all. For example...there were only two sexes recognised and recoded on birth certificates and toilets were only male and female for at least 200 years in this country until Government started interfering. Men could not play in women's sports and vice versa until Government started interfering.

 

The Government decides which flags are flown by government departments and agencies.

 

Crime rates ... I did not mention them. Trends have been downward for most rates since 1995, with no apparent influence of the political party in power at the time. Except that assault rates in the NT and WA have approximately doubled. In my view, due to woke influences causing lax policing and sentencing based on racial stereotypes.

 

Those creepy photos of Jerries? I would never have picked that boxer as a woman, and without hormone therapy she would not be like that. I haven't been to the Philippines but have heard there can be confusion about the girls. I have found that the women around me can pick a real woman from a bloke pretending to be a woman, and they really don't like it. I think that if they can fool the women then they will probably get into their toilets, but very few of the trans blokes can pull that off. They will be spotted and shamed or kicked out. I had a trans friend (since deceased), and he (she) was deeply unhappy and regretted getting the surgery.

 

 

[facthunter]

What BS . They have had UNISEX toilets in Europe for ever. IF you want to Perve on near naked people just go to any Beach..  Nev

Edited Saturday at 04:18 AM by facthunter
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[octave]

When it comes to public toilets I can think 2 facilities that are unisex nearby. One is by the water near the pier. It is two long columns of cubicles with a long row of sinks. The other is in the arts centre. This facility is pretty swish. It is a large area of sinks, mirrors hand driers etc and around the outside of the walls are cubicles some marked unisex others marked male or female for those who care.  As FH pointed out this is old news in many countries.  I remember my father telling me that when he travelled to Japan 40 years ago. He was momentarily surprised when washing his hands at a sink that there was a young woman next to him putting on makeup. He had not realized at first that it was unisex and thought maybe he had gone into the wrong toilets, but he was fine with it.

 

Whilst I can see that change causes issues that will need to be sorted such as sport, I can not see why people get so flustered by this.   I have a neighbour who moved in about 5 years ago. This young woman seemed very reluctant to engage in conversation, That was fine, I am naturally inclined to chat to anyone.  Gradually I noticed that they were transitioning. It did sadden me that this person probably thought due to our age that we might be hostile, nothing could be further from the truth.    Four years later my wife and I are pretty good friends with this person. Their defining characteristics for us are their wit, intelligence and kindness.   I don't give a toss what their chromosomes are.  

[Grumpy Old Nasho]

3 hours ago, Marty_d said:

To @Grumpy Old Nasho and @pmccarthy - can you please list the crime rates (apart from Internet scams) that have got worse under this fictional far left regime controlling your life?

Crime rates are overshadowed by the willingness of perps to commit heinous crimes that parole boards turn a blind eye to and forgive, giving perps a chance to commit a second heinous crime. We've seen both major parties preside over this stupidity, the radical "humanist" ALP, and the "lefty copycat" Coalition.

[Marty_d]

So... None that have ACTUALLY got worse then.

Funny thing about heinous crimes, they've happened consistently throughout history.

[Jerry_Atrick]

2 hours ago, Grumpy Old Nasho said:

Crime rates are overshadowed by the willingness of perps to commit heinous crimes that parole boards turn a blind eye to and forgive, giving perps a chance to commit a second heinous crime. We've seen both major parties preside over this stupidity, the radical "humanist" ALP, and the "lefty copycat" Coalition.

And, did you know, dogs are secretly conspiring to overthrow the human race since training techniques went from negative punishment to positive reinforcement.. 

[old man emu]

30 minutes ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

And, did you know, dogs are secretly conspiring to overthrow the human race since training techniques went from negative punishment to positive reinforcement.. 

That's because cats introduced DEI.

[facthunter]

I don't buy that FE line. It's got whiskers on it.  Nev

[Marty_d]

We're already slaves to our pets. We go and work so they can get fed and laze around the house all day. They've won!

[Jerry_Atrick]

5 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

None at all. For example...there were only two sexes recognised and recorded on birth certificates and toilets were only male and female for at least 200 years in this country until Government started interfering. Men could not play in women's sports and vice versa until Government started interfering.

The government didn't start "interfering". They react to people exerting their rights and then making a determination of which way the laws should change. First of all, in what way did they interfere. The general rule of British legal systems is that if something is not proscribed, it is allowed. Gender re-assignment surgery was never proscribed, for example, then people could get it free of government interference.

 

Sports rules and who can play what are within the gambit of the sports regulatory bodies - not the government. Even who gets to go to what toilet is still outside the rules of the government. (except for government buildings, parks and public toilets). The ones in sports stadiums, pools, end the like are governed by those who operate the premises.

 

You will have seen the high profile cases go to court over access - the courts are hearing a private dispute between the TG person and the organisation being sued for access. The courts apply the law - which was the law before TG became an issue - to determine access. Often, then have avoided the issue of gender and treated it as part of equality laws between men and women - can the man - regardless of how he identified - be granted access based on equality laws. The latest case I have seen, not TG related, was whether a bloke who pays the same admission fee as a woman to some art gallery have access to a woman's only exhibition, where it is alleged the better art artifacts were exhibited.

 

Sometimes, the courts have to adjudicate whether or not a man or woman purporting to be the other gender filt within the definition of the other gender. Here, the government has stepped in. In NSW, an Equality Bill was passed that requires a sex affirmation procedure (medical) to change one's gender: https://www.nsw.gov.au/family-and-relationships/name-changes-and-corrections/change-of-sex

 

Until that happens, they remain legally, and the courts are bound to interpret them as their original gender - that is about as much as the government has "interfered"..

 

Transgenderism seems to date prior to 200 years.. Society has just become more progressive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history

 

My point in showing those two phots and asking the question of which dunny they should be able to go into is to show the issue isn't black and white. There are many things to be settled, including the impact on biologival women who are still women - the vast majority of women. But like most socially vexing issues, the press only portray the more extremes, and people seem not to be wired to be able to look beyond a binary (no pun intended) vie of the world.