Dutton for PM?

[Jerry_Atrick]

 

[nomadpete]

Do we have any laws that could deport an undesirable alien?

 

I don't mean little green men.

 

Case in point:

I was once mugged and robbed by a pair of New Zeelaners. Turns out, I wasn't their first conviction.

 

It would be a significant deterrant if such people could be 'sent home'.

 

Its not quite what Spud is proposing but it is related. There are more nuances to his brainfart.

[Marty_d]

New Zealanders are basically Australians.

Deporting them is kind of like sending a Victorian back home from Tassie.

[old man emu]

1 hour ago, nomadpete said:

Do we have any laws that could deport an undesirable alien?

Yes we do, and they are applied commonly, but at times thoughtlessly. There have been instances where a person who came to Australia in the 1950-60s as a child and who never became naturalised after our citizenship laws changed in the 1980s, has been deported to Great Britain after completing a sentence for a crime committed as an adult. We end a lot of Kiwis back, and of course, those who fail to meet refugee status

[onetrack]

Dutton already has form when it comes to deporting undesirables from Australia. But neither Dutton, nor Australia, is alone with this system, many countries already carry out the same deportation of violent criminals.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-53095334

[nomadpete]

3 hours ago, Marty_d said:

New Zealanders are basically Australians.

Deporting them is kind of like sending a Victorian back home from Tassie.

But you don't need a passport to send a mainlander back to where they come from.

 

2 hours ago, old man emu said:

Yes we do, and they are applied commonly, but at times thoughtlessly. There have been instances where a person who came to Australia in the 1950-60s as a child and who never became naturalised after our citizenship laws changed in the 1980s, has been deported to Great Britain after completing a sentence for a crime committed as an adult. We end a lot of Kiwis back, and of course, those who fail to meet refugee status

Well it didn't happen to my pair of violent repeat offenders. I suspect it isn't practiced much.

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:53 AM by nomadpete

[nomadpete]

1 hour ago, onetrack said:

many countries already carry out the same deportation of violent criminals.

Based on that, we probably just need to apply the existing laws more dilligrntly.

 

I suspect Spud's proposal is fraught with problems and is likely to boost labor/independent votes.

[facthunter]

I wish the Duttonator would just GO OFF Quietly out of sight before HE goes Nuclear. Nev

[octave]

The laws apply equally to all non-citizens. However, New Zealanders have been disproportionately affected by the laws, with more than 1500 deportations of New Zealand citizens occurring since the laws were passed. Some of those deported had lived their whole lives in Australia and had never even been to New Zealand. A lot of NZ citizens are now detained in Australia’s immigration detention centres, while their legal challenges to the decision to deport them are processed. 

Reported cases of NZ citizens who have been deported have included those with intellectual disabilities or mental illnesses who had no ties to New Zealand.

 

Deportation of New Zealand Citizens

Edited yesterday at 03:57 AM by octave

[Litespeed]

Be careful what you wish for.

 

My understanding is Dutton wants the powers to detain and deport anyone he sees as undesirable.

So if you don't like his politics you can be deported and have your Aussie citizenship removed and no recourse to the courts.

 

Just like Trump does.

 

If you question Israel war crimes or protest for human rights in Gaza- expect to become a non citizen.

 

It is a very dangerous path.

 

Currently if arrested and convicted with 2 years ( I think) jail you may be deported as a non citizen.

[nomadpete]

1 hour ago, octave said:

Reported cases of NZ citizens who have been deported have included those with intellectual disabilities or mental illnesses who had no ties to New Zealand.

I was only referring to individuals CONVICTED of VIOLENT CRIMES.

 

When any law is misused or abused,  it should be rectified.

[facthunter]

In the USA IF you've done time, you don't get to vote. Guess which Demographic has the Highest Incarceration rates. Many don't have Lawyers.. Nev

[nomadpete]

I am mortified to think we might follow T rump down any of his wayward paths.

 

As I said before, the deportation card will be seen as a trumpstyle negative for its proponent.

 

(Did I just attach the word 'style' to a person's name? Sorry. I won't do it again.)

 

 

Edited yesterday at 04:59 AM by nomadpete

[facthunter]

I suggest "Aping" Trump would be appropriate. Nev

[octave]

14 minutes ago, nomadpete said:

I was only referring to individuals CONVICTED of VIOLENT CRIMES.

 

In the last five years, around 1500 citizens of New Zealand have been deported from Australia after being found guilty of criminal offences in Australia.

 

It is unclear what these crimes are but I am assuming more serious crimes.

[facthunter]

New Zealand gov't have not been very impressed by this arrangement particularly when the Individuals have NO connection to any family in NZ and have spent most of their life in OZ.. Nev

[nomadpete]

23 minutes ago, octave said:

In the last five years, around 1500 citizens of New Zealand have been deported from Australia after being found guilty of criminal offences in Australia.

 

It is unclear what these crimes are but I am assuming more serious crimes.

I'm just grumpy because the two Kiwis that beat and robbed me were convicted as miltiple assault offenders. I was hospitalised but they received light sentences (months) and were not sent home. Note these guys were recent visitors. If it happened to me like that, I suspect there are others. Which indicates that the law is not consistently applied.

Edited yesterday at 05:37 AM by nomadpete

[facthunter]

The LAW is an ASS, Not fit for Purpose. Plenty of  examples out there. nev

[red750]

I don't care where people come from, I have friends who come from all over. But if they choose to come and live here, they have to abide by our laws. So should people who were born here. But if they are going to steal or highjack cars, break into houses, smash and grab from stores, firebomb shops, houses or religious places, we don't need them, and they are not welcome. But many immigrants aremore than welcome. Examples are Peter Bol. Sudanese, now living in Austrealia, and has won Olympic and Comm Games medals for Australia. And Gout Gout, born in Australia whit Sudanese parents, and looks like becoming one of the greatest runners of all time. Absolutely more than welcome. But those machete wielding thugs jumping shop counters can go back where they came from.

 

 

[old man emu]

As usual, the media sensationalises things. They never say what proportion of of an "ethnic" group is involved in crime. Has journalist ever sat down with, say a young man of Sudanese origin, and listened to the story of his life? The first thing you would find is that the young man has had no formal education, so how could he get a job that is more than menial? Lack of education is the root of all evil.

[nomadpete]

1 minute ago, old man emu said:

Lack of education is the root of all evil.

I like that!

[Litespeed]

And that's why the Trump plan is too destroy education and only have friendly scared media.

 

Unless we know the facts and the life the kid has endured it's just sensational media scare mongering.

 

Many if not all Sudanese are refugees or their parents from a horrific war and are traumatized from their experience, as a population they have a form of PTSD. They are courageous people who have overcome extreme circumstances that deserve quality services to help. Education and mental health help that's sensitive to this reality are sorely lacking.

 

It sure makes it harder when media beat ups just blame a ethnic group.

[facthunter]

EASIER to Blame some group for all the Problems TRUMP is a MASTER at it. Most problems are far more complex than they MAY  appear to be. Research beats jumping to conclusions and hurting Innocent People  collaterally. What things some of these people have been though would be Hard to imagine by most of US who have lived rather sheltered LIVES, generally.  Nev