European Union "Divorce" case coming soon,. . .

[dutchroll]

I read about the "leave" campaign saying that EU funds would be redirected to the NHS and I actually thought "if you truly believe that, you are very gullible".

 

Farage's interview on Good Morning Britain:

 

The 350 million pounds a week we send to the EU, which we will no longer send to the EU, can you guarantee that’s going to go to the NHS?” pressed ITV’s Susanna Reid.

 

 

 

“No I can’t, and I never would have made that claim,” he responded.

 

 

 

“One of the mistakes that the Leave campaign made…”

 

 

 

“That was one of the Leave campaign adverts,” Reid responded.

 

 

 

“That that money was going to go to NHS That’s why people — many people — voted.” she said incredulously.

 

 

 

“They made a mistake in doing that,” Farage admitted, which has provoked anger across the country.

 

 

No, they've decided to speed up the exit process and squeeze the last pennies out of the cash cow.

But hang on.....if they wanted to "squeeze the last pennies out of the cash cow" would they not prolong the process and beg the UK to take their time about it, while still paying the requisite contributions? This would be true if it costs the UK to be part of the EU, wouldn't it?

 

On the other hand, if the UK benefits financially from being part of the EU, you would have to question any complaint about cash cows from the UK side.

 

I don't understand that argument at all.

 

To my mind, I can understand the EU wanting the UK out quickly. At the moment they have an entire nation which seems neither "in" nor "out" and while still technically a member, clearly has voted to have no further direct involvement in EU affairs. It'd be like having someone sitting on your Executive Board who had just decided they don't really want to have have anything to do with running your company. I'd want them out of the boardroom too!

 

 

[Phil Perry]

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This is the clumsy advert which is being attacked. It DOES 'Suggest' that ALL of the saving in membership fees would be spent in one place, ie, the NHS.

 

It was denigrated by many of us at the time, particularly at a Grassroots Out meeting in Newport weeks ago when it was rolled out. He said at the time that he disagreed with the way this ad was worded but was poo pooed by Vote Leave HQ.

 

Nigel Farage had nothing to do with this, as the Vote Leave leadership had kept him at arms length throughout the campaign, saing that he was 'Toxic' to the cause.

 

He was part of the lesser funded cross party group, Grassroots Out. Now he's got to try and defend the indefensible. Brilliant.

 

Nigel suggested at the time that at least £100 million of this weekly payment ought to be allocated dorectly to the NHS. NOT ALL OF IT

 

Anyway, if you have not already, please read the BBCs ' 8 Reasons Leave won the referendum' Link hereunder.

 

Regarding the 'Leave the boardroom' suggestion Dutch, I agree entiely. The ONLY British EU Commissioner, Lord Hill, resigned immediately the vote was published, so we now have No one in the boardroom and quite rightly so.

 

Eight reasons Leave won the UK's referendum on the EU - BBC News

 

Eight reasons Leave won the UK's referendum on the EU - BBC News

 

[willedoo]

David Cameron: "In some parts of Britain there are three generations of families where nobody has ever worked."

 

Buckingham Palace?

Not true, FT, Charlie likes gardening.

 

 

[Phil Perry]

None of us understand why Mr Cameron has decided to announce his resignation and then. . . .say that nothing will happen until after the Conservative Party conference in OCTOBER ? ? ?

 

If the UK Establishment are serious about honouring the result of the referendum, then two things need to happen immediately.

 

1) Invoke Article 50 of the EU membership regulations.

 

 

 

2) Repeal the European Communities Act of 1972.

 

Until either of these things happen,. . . we will remain in limbo.

 

Confusion reigns in the EU at themoment. Jean Claude Juncker says we need to act immediately and leave.

 

Angela Merkel, ( The REAL power behind the EU ) has said No, the UK needs a period of 'Quiet reflection'

 

The BBC know this, but more than likely will not be pushing it in their narrative as it doesn't fit.

 

 

[dutchroll]

Already read it many hours ago Phil.

 

Not all of the reasons are sensible ones, nor does the article suggest they are. In fact, most of them are based solely on fear and mistrust, rather than any consideration at all of the potential consequences or sound rational reasoning. This is much the same thing as is happening in the USA at the moment.

 

This is a recurring theme I've been hammering in commentary on it. When you're upset with life, the universe, and everything, sometimes you need to take a very deep breath before making big decisions, or the unintended consequences of your vote for "instant salvation" may bite you in the a*se.

 

I think you are being extremely optimistic if you believe even £100 million, or any at all, of the saved money will be spent on the NHS. We will see in due course.

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Not true, FT, Charlie likes gardening.

Willie. . . .

 

That's a terrible thing to say about our next King . . Prince Charles has said very little about talking to his plants for several years. . .shame on you !

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Already read it many hours ago Phil.

Not all of the reasons are sensible ones, nor does the article suggest they are. In fact, most of them are based solely on fear and mistrust, rather than any consideration at all of the potential consequences or sound rational reasoning. This is much the same thing as is happening in the USA at the moment.

 

This is a recurring theme I've been hammering in commentary on it. When you're upset with life, the universe, and everything, sometimes you need to take a very deep breath before making big decisions, or the unintended consequences of your vote for "instant salvation" may bite you in the a*se.

 

I think you are being extremely optimistic if you believe even £100 million, or any at all, of the saved money will be spent on the NHS. We will see in due course.

 

I didn't SAY I believed that mate. . . . when you bear in mind that ALL of the funding we send to the eu is 100% BORROWED as we have a Gynormous deficit and NO MONEY whatsoever in the kitty, it would be difficult to 'Divert' non existent funds to the NHS without also borrowing that and increasing the deficit further at the same time.

 

I cannot see the UK EVER paying off that deficit, in the trillions and rising, within ten generations. Even when you consider that the credit agencies said yesterday that the UK can Borrow at 0.16% pc interest over ten years, and not much more over thirty years, the debt is already ionospheric and rising.

 

Interesting times eh ?

 

 

[willedoo]

Willie. . . .

That's a terrible thing to say about our next King . . Prince Charles has said very little about talking to his plants for several years. . .shame on you !

You're right Phil, my sincere apologies for being so disrespectful. Prince Charlie has been much maligned over the years for no good reason. One small example: when God was giving out ears, Charlie thought he said beers and said "I'll have two big ones!". So a lot of things are really not his fault.

 

Cheers, Willie.

 

 

[dutchroll]

That's a terrible thing to say about our next King . . Prince Charles has said very little about talking to his plants for several years. . .shame on you !

You're right Phil, my sincere apologies for being so disrespectful. Prince Charlie has been much maligned over the years for no good reason. One small example: when God was giving out ears, Charlie thought he said beers and said "I'll have two big ones!". So a lot of things are really not his fault.

Here I am quietly sipping an evening beer at home and you two make me spit into it with froth going everywhere including over my lap.

 

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Here I am quietly sipping an evening beer at home and you two make me spit into it with froth going everywhere including over my lap.

 

Adds a whole new perspective to the old Paul Hogan phrase. ." Shall we Blow the Froth off a couple mate ?. . ."

 

 

[dutchroll]

In other Brexit news, the petition for a second referendum has had thousands of fraudulent signatures removed. 77,000 to be more precise.

 

This leaves it depleted to a mere 3.1 million signatures. The funny irony is that apparently it was started by a "Leave" campaigner in the event that the result wasn't decisive and the "Remain" camp won by a small margin. He didn't quite think that one through, I suspect.

 

Most commentary I'm seeing over here from people with ties to Britain is along the lines of it being the most divided they've ever seen the nation.

 

 

[kasper]

I didn't SAY I believed that mate. . . . when you bear in mind that ALL of the funding we send to the eu is 100% BORROWED as we have a Gynormous deficit and NO MONEY whatsoever in the kitty, it would be difficult to 'Divert' non existent funds to the NHS without also borrowing that and increasing the deficit further at the same time.

I cannot see the UK EVER paying off that deficit, in the trillions and rising, within ten generations. Even when you consider that the credit agencies said yesterday that the UK can Borrow at 0.16% pc interest over ten years, and not much more over thirty years, the debt is already ionospheric and rising.

 

Interesting times eh ?

But Phil...

 

UK national debt per person is 27.54 stirling each head ... around $60

 

vs.

 

Australian national debt per person is $19,800 ... just for the Federal debt ... and $32,650 each when you add in the state and local debt.

 

The UK can borrow at really low interest rates for for a reason

 

 

[fly_tornado]

As of Q1 2015 UK government debt amounted to £1.56 trillion, or 81.58% of total GDP

 

Like other sovereign debt, the British national debt is rated by various ratings agencies. On 23 February 2013 it was reported that Moody's had downgraded UK debt from Aaa to Aa1, the first time since 1978 that the country has not had an AAA credit rating

 

 

[old man emu]

I think that Spooks has hit the nail on the head.

 

Would be better if they interviewed young people who are not at university / in London. Interview the unemployed youth oooop North and they might get some ideas on why people wanted out.

It seems that most of the population which is not centred on London voiced its anger at the loss of industry and employment. It seems that the London lifestyle, powered by the financial sector is foreign to the lifestyle of he rest of the country. The pampered ones care not a zot for the workers.

 

Can anyone tell me why the British coal industry was closed down in the 80's? Was the Evil Union somehow behind it?

 

OME

 

 

[octave]

It seems that most of the population which is not centred on London voiced its anger at the loss of industry and employment. It seems that the London lifestyle, powered by the financial sector is foreign to the lifestyle of he rest of the country. The pampered ones care not a zot for the workers.

Scotland????????

 

"According to polling data from YouGov, 75% of 18- to 24-year-olds voted to remain in the European Union. On Friday, the UK voted to leave, with 52% of the overall vote."

 

It seems that young people prefered to stay, and why wouldn't they? I can certainly understand why young educated people would want the option to freely travel and work in Europe. I suspect the leave vote may mainly comprise of older people. As someone who was born in Britain but left at the age of 2 (1964) because Britain was not the vibrant place it is now, I am quite familiar with and have many relatives who are what I would refer to as "Little Englander's"

 

Anyway, no need to argue about whether leaving is the right decision or not, time will tell whether Britain thrives or not.

 

 

[old man emu]

Anyway, no need to argue about whether leaving is the right decision or not, time will tell whether Britain thrives or not.

I honestly think that Britain will thrive. Wait until the dust settles. London will remain a financial hub. The British people will rejuvenate their lost industries. Don't forget that there is always the Commonwealth to give support to Britain.

 

I think that we have been cut off from the reality of British society ever since Britain entered the EEC. It has only been a 50 year segment of a 500 year old system. Perhaps Britain's leaving the EU is the same as the dismantling of the Berlin Wall and China's uptake of free enterprise.

 

OME

 

 

[Phil Perry]

I think that Spooks has hit the nail on the head.

 

It seems that most of the population which is not centred on London voiced its anger at the loss of industry and employment. It seems that the London lifestyle, powered by the financial sector is foreign to the lifestyle of he rest of the country. The pampered ones care not a zot for the workers.

 

Can anyone tell me why the British coal industry was closed down in the 80's? Was the Evil Union somehow behind it?

 

OME

 

Good question that Sir. Apart from coal, there is a long list of companies which have been purchased using EU grants, and then Immediately relocated outside the UK. . . depriving local people of employment. This is just one small example of the EU being 'Helpful' to businesses in the UK.

 

On the subject of London being Metro-centric,. . .The NEW Mayor of London, Mr. Sadiq Khan, has already said that it would be a good idea for London to become independent from the rest of the UK. . . . all those nasty outlanders are really not worth the trouble.

 

 

[Phil Perry]

One other reason for the demise of the high quality British coal industry was that the UK was barred by the EU from any application of a fair balancing tariff upon coal imported from Europe. This made UK coal non-competitive and the industry was doomed.

 

A level playing field would at least have allowed fair competition across the supply chain, especially when the much higher quality of deep mined UK coal is considered.

 

It might have lasted a little longer until the environmental pollution aspect was pushed. I have no argument with that by the way, it's just a shame it isn't equally enforced elsewhere though.

 

Level Playing Field. This wasn't a big ask was it ?

 

Another reason that the anti - EU movement began to arise.

 

 

[willedoo]

"According to polling data from YouGov, 75% of 18- to 24-year-olds voted to remain in the European Union. On Friday, the UK voted to leave, with 52% of the overall vote."

 

It seems that young people prefered to stay, and why wouldn't they? .

More correctly, 75% of the 30% who bothered to vote chose remain. The other 70% of 18 to 24 year olds probably couldn't give a rats - at least not enough to bother voting.

 

 

[dutchroll]

Perhaps Britain's leaving the EU is the same as the dismantling of the Berlin Wall and China's uptake of free enterprise.

That's probably stretching it a bit........

 

 

[fly_tornado]

The EU will squeeze every market England has got. Don't want to encourage more countries to leave.

 

 

[Marty_d]

Apparently Bregret is now a thing. Saw on one of the many articles about this (and I've been trying to find it again, but can't)... that many people DO now realise there are consequences that they hadn't considered.

 

One contributor who was in the Remain camp told of a woman who'd talked to him. She'd voted "leave" and now regretted doing so. "Why did you vote leave then?" he asked.

 

"Because I didn't realise it'd mean we actually had to leave!" was her answer.

 

Still, it's done wonders for Malcolm, he's now standing up with hand on heart and telling the country that the Brexit means we MUST keep the LNP "for stability" and "my government will coordinate with New Zealand"...

 

There you go Phil, I have no problem with the population of Britain voting whatever way they want, but if we end up with another three years of these LNP clowns because of this decision, I will hold you personally responsible!!

 

 

[spacesailor]

Englands dept can be payed off quickly, like they did with the yanks dept.

 

Bring back the Ration-book.

 

1945/1953/

 

spacesailor

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Apparently Bregret is now a thing. Saw on one of the many articles about this (and I've been trying to find it again, but can't)... that many people DO now realise there are consequences that they hadn't considered.One contributor who was in the Remain camp told of a woman who'd talked to him. She'd voted "leave" and now regretted doing so. "Why did you vote leave then?" he asked.

 

"Because I didn't realise it'd mean we actually had to leave!" was her answer.

 

Still, it's done wonders for Malcolm, he's now standing up with hand on heart and telling the country that the Brexit means we MUST keep the LNP "for stability" and "my government will coordinate with New Zealand"...

 

There you go Phil, I have no problem with the population of Britain voting whatever way they want, but if we end up with another three years of these LNP clowns because of this decision, I will hold you personally responsible!!

 

Sounds fair enough Marty. My Brother admitted today that since he had read about what the EU are considering doing now, he wished he'd gone the other way, as does his missis ie, one of the raft of things saved until AFTER the Brit vote; are now going ahead. One of these is the deconstruction of all remaining member states as nations, removing their military capabilities thereby absorbing them into the United States of Europe Superstate and expanding the new EU Army, comscripting bods from all previous 'States' to accomplish this. Best of luck with that one. . . .

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/..

 

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[dutchroll]

One of these is the deconstruction of all remaining member states as nations, removing their military capabilities thereby absorbing them into the United States of Europe Superstate and expanding the new EU Army, comscripting bods from all previous 'States' to accomplish this. Best of luck with that one. . . .

A couple of British tabloids have reported this. Of course they took the information 3rd or 4th hand from Polish TV station TVP and a mystery "leaked" 9 page report from European Defence Ministers. In fact the Daily Mail is simply repeating "the Express reports that.....", which in turn is repeating that "Polish TVP reports that.......", etc etc.

 

Aside from the fact that TVP's reputation for objective reporting isn't exactly stellar and they're renowned for being highly xenophobic, anti Semitic and nationalistic, I used to work for Defence and I have never, ever seen a Defence policy report on re-shaping the entire military force, let alone dismantling entire nations (I mean, seriously?) which was only 9 pages long. 9 long chapters or 9 volumes perhaps.

 

So believe the report's accuracy at your peril. I personally highly doubt it and, allowing for mistranslation and taking things out of context, it seems exaggerated and a touch paranoid to me. But this seems to be the way of the entire debate. Do you honestly believe for a moment that France and Germany would relinquish control of their military forces to Brussels? Especially France with its nuclear arsenal? Do you seriously believe France would allow itself to cease to exist as a nation? This is pie-in-the-sky stuff.

 

Meanwhile as Britain vacillates, the pound freefalls to a 30 year low, British bank, airline and property shares continue to dive, the nation appears rudderless, and it certainly appears the NHS won't see a cent of any extra money.