European Union "Divorce" case coming soon,. . .

[Marty_d]

No argument about coffee beans guys,. . . but here is the front page of Tomorrow's Daily Mirror. ( The Long term Left wing tabloid )

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'Boris' has been appointed to the Highly important position of British Foreign Secretary. Rumour has it that plaster has been falling off the ceilings in may Chancellories around Europe, following some famous derogatory comments he has allegedly made.

 

For those of you who have no idea who he is. . . this from Wikipedia.

 

BORIS JOHNSON.

 

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

 

(born 19 June 1964) is a British politician, popular historian, and journalist. He has been Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs since 2016 and has served as the Member of Parliament (MP) for Uxbridge and South Ruislip since 2015. He had previously served as MP for Henley from 2001 until 2008 and as Mayor of London from 2008 until 2016. A member of the Conservative Party, Johnson identifies as a One-Nation Conservative and has been associated with both economically liberal and socially liberal policies.

 

Born in New York City to upper middle-class English parents, Johnson was educated at the European School of Brussels, Ashdown House School, and Eton College. He studied Classics at Balliol College, Oxford, where he was elected president of the Oxford Union in 1986. Beginning his career in journalism at The Times, he later became The Daily Telegraph's Brussels correspondent, with his articles exerting a strong influence on growing Eurosceptic sentiment among the British right-wing

 

He was assistant editor from 1994 to 1999 before taking the editorship of The Spectator from 1999 to 2005. Joining the Conservatives, he was elected MP for Henley in 2001, and under Conservative leaders Michael Howard and David Cameron he served in the Shadow Cabinet. Mostly adhering to the Conservative party line, he nevertheless adopted a more socially liberal stance on issues like LGBT rights in parliamentary votes. Making regular television appearances, writing books, and remaining active in journalism, Johnson became one of the most conspicuous politicians in Britain.

 

This man is extremely intelligent, but, even during his Two terms as Mayor of London, he always played the fool, earning him the 'Buffoon' title.

 

His Hairstyle has created almost as much mirth as that of a certain Mr. Trump.

 

He was also head of the 'Vote Leave' campaign, so that will go down really well in EU circles. Much mirth to follow no doubt.

I heard on the radio yesterday that the list of countries that Boris HASN'T offended is shorter than the list of those he has, which makes him an... er... interesting choice for Foreign Secretary.

 

 

[Phil Perry]

I heard on the radio yesterday that the list of countries that Boris HASN'T offended is shorter than the list of those he has, which makes him an... er... interesting choice for Foreign Secretary.

 

Oh,. .. you have totally unbiased radio media then Marty. . .Jeeze,. . .wish we had. . .

 

This report, in itself proves beyond any shadow of a doubt, that the Right Honourable Theresa May PM,. . . .has a sense of humour. Something totally undiscovered or noted about her persona during her long tenure as British Home Secretary, the worst one in living memory according to the mass political media BTW. . . . but then, she had no power at all, as all her machinations were overruled by the EU. She could not even deport foreign criminals, convicted of horrendous crimes including murder, as the ECHR rulled that, since thr perpetrator had a cat,. . he had a human right to stay in the UK . End of argument. If you think that I am being over flippant about this,. . I suggest you read about it yourself. Some of these convicted miscrants continually re-offend and there is nothing we can do about it. Always overruled by the ECHR.

 

Theresa is 'remainer' She will do her utmost to Appear to be doing everything she can to assist a painless exit from the EU, but in reality, she will be doing the exact opposite. We are not totally stupid. It's the world plan and we are all part of it.

 

Sad, yes it is. I hope that 'Boris' with all his guile and uber intelligence, proves her wrong. . . .breath not held. . . .

 

 

[M61A1]

None of my friends were ever assaulted by drunks late at night in the city before Sydney brought in recent lockout laws.

Therefore I can confidently conclude that reported increases in late night city assaults fuelled by alcohol which led to those laws are false or just exaggerated.

On this particular subject, I have concerns about their facts. Could it be that people are being arrested for less? We recently had the experience of having one of our apprentices arrested, after doing exactly as he was asked. I am lead to believe that he may have been mildly intoxicated , was asked to leave an area, and was complying, when he was arrested. Not just his story, but the exact events told by several other absolutely gobsmacked workmates. This was no hard partying yobbo either.

 

I suspect, based on this event, and some others I have experienced myself, that more people are being arrested for doing less and this contributes to their "increased" numbers.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

encouraging signs Phil, Arab states buying up assets on the cheap

 

Qatar coughs up less for IAG | MRO Network

 

 

[Phil Perry]

[Gnarly Gnu]

That carper is actually rather weird. Despises his own culture as much as Islam...

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Mr Palindrome says:

 

"Go hang a salami, I'm a lasagna hog"

 

 

[M61A1]

That carper is actually rather weird. Despises his own culture as much as Islam...

Your Christian culture is significantly responsible for the rise of Islamic extremists. Your mantra of "turn the other cheek" and " do unto others" as well as the concept of being happy to die being persecuted for Christ, is a total failure against a group that think all infidels must submit or die.

 

 

[Gnarly Gnu]

There is much more to this issue of self defense than the part verses you quote M61A1; for example Jesus also counseled to purchase a sword in Luke 22. If you are interested in understanding the whole picture I can recommend an article written about non-resistance by a friend, part 1 and part 2.

 

 

[M61A1]

Don't bother quoting scripture, I was there once, never again.might as well quote Star Trek or star wars, there're just as real.

 

The fact is they exist because Christianity have this ridiculous "do unto others" thing, Islamic extremism is a cancer, you don't see doctors telling patients that they should tolerate their cancer, They destroy it, completely eradicate it, because they know it will come back and kill you if they don't.

 

 

[Gnarly Gnu]

OK - except you were the one that quoted scripture. I was just pointing out that your understanding is based on a couple of part verses and is quite incomplete so you have jumped to a wrong conclusion about how Christian 'non-resistance' works.

 

I agree there is some merit in treating Islam the same as other similar violent ideologies like Nazism and Communism. Sometimes a forceful response to halt its spread is needed, other time containment works so they can stew in their own fetid system.... as Reagan showed this works well too. The worst approach is to welcome them in and invite them to foment this ideology amongst us. But not to worry, the scriptures you dismiss provide a nice outline of how this all ends and I'm certainly quite relaxed about it all.

 

 

[dutchroll]

Islamic extremism is a cancer, you don't see doctors telling patients that they should tolerate their cancer, They destroy it, completely eradicate it, because they know it will come back and kill you if they don't.

This is true and yes that cancer should certainly be eradicated.

 

However doctors don't just see a little spot which bears a resemblance to something they once saw which turned out to be cancer, and decide on the spot to eradicate it because "it's therefore cancer".

 

They investigate and make an accurate diagnosis before they act. If, despite looking similar, it's not actually cancer but is benign, they leave it alone.

 

Regrettably I see too many people who don't seem to have the time, inclination, or ability to distinguish between the two.

 

 

[Marty_d]

Took the words out of my mouth Dutch.

 

I was considering putting down something like that but settled for giving the Wildebeest a funny.

 

 

[M61A1]

This is true and yes that cancer should certainly be eradicated.

However doctors don't just see a little spot which bears a resemblance to something they once saw which turned out to be cancer, and decide on the spot to eradicate it because "it's therefore cancer".

 

They investigate and make an accurate diagnosis before they act. If, despite looking similar, it's not actually cancer but is benign, they leave it alone.

 

Regrettably I see too many people who don't seem to have the time, inclination, or ability to distinguish between the two.

Just making sure that you noticed that I have differentiated between, Islam and Islamic extremism.....

 

Also, I have seen doctors often remove something, "just in case it turns nasty", then test it afterwards. (depending of the level of invasive procedure they need to remove it)

 

 

[Gnarly Gnu]

Just making sure that you noticed that I have differentiated between, Islam and Islamic extremism.....

Hope that works out well for you M6.No such difference exists in Islam of course.

 

 

[dutchroll]

Just making sure that you noticed that I have differentiated between, Islam and Islamic extremism.....Also, I have seen doctors often remove something, "just in case it turns nasty", then test it afterwards. (depending of the level of invasive procedure they need to remove it)

Yes I did notice that. Just commenting for the benefit (or not) of anyone following the debate. It's quite a bugbear of mine, and I see it in real life much more than I'd like. I'm not alleging that's the argument you were using, just that discussion of "what to do about islamic extremism" occasionally leads to a "well heck let's just deport all Muslims" response. Well, around the backwaters and bogan country near where I live anyway! Wholesale extreme actions against entire classes of people have never seen particularly beneficial results, historically.

 

I guess with the medical analogy it's kind of valid, as long as we don't fail to acknowledge the different complexities and principles in excising a mole "just in case" versus excising an entire human "just in case".

 

 

[Marty_d]

Hope that works out well for you M6.No such difference exists in Islam of course.

Of course it doesn't. Also it doesn't exist in christianity, so you're all the same as the Lord's Resistance Army.

 

 

[spacesailor]

"Divorce case coming soon"

 

But not that quick after-all,

 

2019 and counting to get it finalized.

 

spacesailor

 

 

 

[Phil Perry]

It will never happen mate. . . I think we've all accepted that now. BBC / Sky / ITV / Mark Carney the Canadian head of the Bank of England are all in full 'retard' mode screaming about a re-run of the referendum because it 'Wasn't Fair Waaaaaaah. . .' The media are 'Talking down' Britain and the pound 24/7

 

PM Theresa May is a confirmed 'Remainer' and she holds all the cards. If she can delay invoking Article 50 beyond April 2017, the EU rule change comes into effect,. . .ie, Qualified Majority voting, where any country wishing to leave, could only do so with a majority of the other members being in agreement, and since we are the third largest banker for the whole corrupt enterprise, they are hardly going to vote away the free money tree gravy train from the UK are they ?

 

We shall see.

 

 

[spacesailor]

Hi Phil,

 

Start talking about another revolution, Got rid of a bad republic government, And it's about time for the second English uprising.

 

spacesailor

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Hi Phil,Start talking about another revolution, Got rid of a bad republic government, And it's about time for the second English uprising.

 

spacesailor

 

Hehehehe. . . .the London Elites all reckon us peasants are revolting all of the time . . . . .

 

 

[spacesailor]

It's No laughing mater, poor old Cromwell didn't think it would/could happen!.

 

spacesailor

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Shame that . . .just think, what if he'd had the Interweb ? ? ?

 

 

[Marty_d]

I'm hearing on the news that Nigel Farage (ex UKIP leader) is now over in the US spruiking for Trump.

 

Rabble-rousers of a feather...

 

 

[pmccarthy]

From Boris Johnson...

 

On Friday I heard a new dawn chorus outside my house. There was a rustling and twittering, as though of starlings assembling on a branch. Then I heard a collective clearing of the throat, and they started yodelling my name – followed by various expletives. “Oi Boris – c---!” they shouted. Or “Boris – w-----!” I looked out to see some otherwise charming-looking young people, the sort who might fast to raise money for a Third World leprosy project.

 

They had the air of idealists – Corbynistas; Lefties; people who might go on a march to stop a war. And so when they started on their protest song, I found myself a bit taken aback. “EU – we love YOU! EU – we love YOU!” they began to croon. Curious, I thought. What exactly is it about the EU that attracts the fervent admiration of north London radicals? It was the first time I had ever heard of trendy socialists demonstrating in favour of an unelected supranational bureaucracy.

 

In the old days, the Lefties used to dismiss the EU as a bankers’ ramp. Tony Benn thought it was unacceptably anti-democratic. Jeremy Corbyn used to vote against it in every division. Why has it suddenly become so fashionable among our nose-ringed friends? I tried to think which of the EU’s signature policies they were so keen on. Surely not the agricultural subsidies that make up most of the budget, and that have done so much to retard development in the Third World. They can’t – for heaven’s sake – support the peak tariffs that discriminate against value added goods from Sub-Saharan Africa. Nor can they possibly enjoy the sheer opacity of the system – the fact that there are 10,000 officials who are paid more than the Prime Minister, and whose names and functions we don’t know.

 

They can’t really be defending the waste, the fraud – or the endless expensive caravan of crémant-swilling members of the European Parliament between Brussels and Luxembourg and Strasbourg. Are they really demonstrating in favour of the torrent of red tape that has done so much to hold back growth in the EU? It seems an odd sort of campaign theme: what do we want? More Brussels law-making! When do we want it? Now!

 

Naturally, Lefties might want laws to protect the workforce – but they would surely want those laws to be made by politicians that the people could remove at elections. No: the more I thought about it, the odder it seemed. It was incredible that these young and idealistic people should be making a rumpus about the euro – the key policy of the modern EU – when that project has so gravely intensified suffering in many southern EU countries, and deprived a generation of young people of employment.

 

Perhaps, I mused, it was a general feeling that the EU was about openness, tolerance and diversity. But they must surely know that the EU’s rules on free movement mean a highly discriminatory regime, one that makes it much more difficult for people from outside the EU to get into Britain – even though we need their skills.

 

So what was it about? People’s emotions matter, even when they do not seem to be wholly rational. The feelings being manifested outside my house are shared by the large numbers of people – 30,000, they say – who at the weekend came together in Trafalgar Square to hear pro-EU speeches by Sir Bob Geldof. There is, among a section of the population, a kind of hysteria, a contagious mourning of the kind that I remember in 1997 after the death of the Princess of Wales. It is not about the EU, of course; or not solely. A great many of these protesters – like dear old Geldof – are in a state of some confusion about the EU and what it does.

 

It is not, as he says, a “free trade area”; if only it were. It is a vast and convoluted exercise in trying to create a federal union – a new political construction based in Brussels. But, as I say, I don’t believe that it is psychologically credible to imagine young people chanting hysterically in favour of Brussels bureaucrats. The whole protest is not about the EU project, per se; it is about them – their own fears and anxieties that are now being projected on to Brexit.

 

These fears are wildly overdone. The reality is that the stock market has not plunged, as some said it would – far from it. The FTSE is higher than when the vote took place. There has been no emergency budget, and nor will there be. But the crowds of young people are experiencing the last psychological tremors of Project Fear – perhaps the most thoroughgoing government attempt to manipulate public opinion since the run-up to the Iraq War.

 

When Geldof tells them that the older generation has “stolen your future” by voting to Leave the EU, I am afraid there are too many who still believe it. It is time for this nonsense to end. It was wrong of the Government to offer the public a binary choice on the EU without being willing – in the event that people voted Leave – to explain how this can be made to work in the interests of the UK and Europe. We cannot wait until mid-September, and a new PM. We need a clear statement, now, of some basic truths:

 

1. There is no risk whatever to the status of the EU nationals now resident and welcome in the UK, and indeed immigration will continue – but in a way that is controlled, thereby neutralising the extremists.

 

2. It is overwhelmingly in the economic interests of the other EU countries to do a free-trade deal, with zero tariffs and quotas, while we extricate ourselves from the EU law-making system.

 

3. We can do free-trade deals with economies round the world, many of which are already applying.

 

4. We can supply leadership in Europe on security and other matters, but at an intergovernmental level.

 

5. The future is very bright indeed. That’s what Geldof should be chanting.