Bruce Posted May 23, 2016 Posted May 23, 2016 Gosh OME, we have read vastly different accounts of the Dardenelles fighting. I read that Winston "confiscated" two Turkish new ships as they were finished in Glasgow. Then when the Germans gave appropriate sympathy to the Turks, they entered the war on the German side. The British decided to give them a "shock and awe" experience by obliterating their royal palace in Constantinople with naval guns. This would make them see the error of their ways. But those Turks prevented the passage of British ships , using guns on forts and mines in the sea. Apparently their new best mates the Germans supplied the latest in mines. So the war cabinet was receptive to the suggestion that those pesky forts could be taken by land. Hence the Anzac landings. I reckon if they had succeeded then the Turks would have got really angry and mobilized millions of troops. Good luck that it failed . Here's the most bizarre thing about that war... why did the mums and dads of those squandered boys fail to string up the guilty generals and politicians when it was all over? I would have.
Phil Perry Posted May 23, 2016 Author Posted May 23, 2016 Most people I know are voting for Brexit. I generally try to avoid politics but people are quite open on their desire to leave the EU. A few friends are trying to persuade others to vote Remain, but they're generally the 'moral high-ground making up for my joke degree' types trying to make out they're intelligent. Have seen the usual accusations of racism towards those voting leave, you know the typical smear tactics. I'm personally a bit torn on the issue. On the one hand is leaving the EU a step back from what is essentially the future ie a world government? On the other is it acceptable to have a corrupt government like the EU that is screwing certain members such as the UK which has seen its manufacturing and fishing industries decimated. Is that really the future we want? Personally I'd prefer a huge reform of the EU rather than exit. However when has a government ever wanted to reduce their control? I also hope that leaving the EU would encourage trade amongst the Commonwealth again rather than having the EU dictate who we trade with (looks positive with Canadian government looking forward to trade deals). I personally favour forming a UK-OZ-NZ group that allows free movement, trade and work Probably the only way we can get out to Oz seeing as my wife is not 'qualified enough' to do her job despite 18 years in the role Well, we'll have to wait and see what happens. BBC are in full retard mode all day every day now, being the propaganda arm of the EU and all,. . . It's a shame that the facts are simply not listed in a format understandable by everyone, bereft of Government and compliant media spin. I was extremely lucky in that I managed to get in to Australia when I did, ( early 70 ) I was a time served mech engineer and Wifey was a Chief cashier in a national UK department store, but we were fairly 'Life' inexperienced then. . . . Best time in my life living and working in Oz mate. . . . My only regret is having to return to the UK for family reasons. I'm still working on selling up what I have here and going 'home' ( unless they change the rules on Dual Nationals ! )
old man emu Posted May 23, 2016 Posted May 23, 2016 Bruce & FT, We are sidetracking this thread. Let's go elsewhere to discuss the Dardanelles. OME
Phil Perry Posted May 31, 2016 Author Posted May 31, 2016 Pat Condell. . . . . on Brexit. . . . One day. . I would like to shake this man's hand.
Phil Perry Posted May 31, 2016 Author Posted May 31, 2016 Voting 'Irregularities' already spotted by officials,. . . . "How to fill in your postal votes" leaflets have been recalled and destroyed following claims that the instructions were 'Biased' in favour of the 'Remain' camp, see picture. . . Also,. non UK residents have recieved erroneous notification that they are allowed to vote in the EU Referendum, even though they are not UK citizens, and as such are barred. This is a widespread problem, and is causing some havoc at the moment, with 'Leave proponents' ( like me ) protesting about electoral fraud. . . . This is the Ballot paper causing all the fuss. . . . note the graphic showing the hand and pencil over the 'Remain' vote. . . . If this isn't attempted subliminal fraud, then I don't know what is. ! Hundreds of thousands of these dodgy forms are being trashed at the moment. We are on top of the situation, but watching carefully for other bullcrap. Meanwhile,. . .Europe Burns in a stinking, violent septic cauldron of it's own making. . . .. of which WE want no part. [ATTACH]47914._xfImport[/ATTACH] And this link should explain a bit more. . . http://www.express.co.uk/news/...
old man emu Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 Pat Condell's speech is the first coherent politically related speech I've heard in yonks. As a political speaker, it puts him up there with Churchill and Hitler * as rousing speech makers. I hope that the British people realise that a "Stay" vote is an abandonment of nearly 1000 years of political progress from rule by the whim of feudal warlords to universal suffrage - rule by the people. A "Stay" vote turns back the clock to 1066. Fortunately the Treaty of Lisbon provides a means for leaving the EU: Under TEU Article 50, a Member State would notify the European Council of its intention to exit the Union and a withdrawal agreement would be negotiated between the Union and that State. The treaties of the European Union would cease to be applicable to that State from the date of the agreement or, failing that, within two years of the notification unless the State and the Council both agree to extend this period. The agreement is concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council and must set out the arrangements for withdrawal, including a framework for the State's future relationship with the Union. The agreement is to be approved by the Council, acting by qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament. So, if Britain votes to leave, it is still has to wait two years after date of a negotiated withdrawal agreement if the European Parliament dilly-dallies. NOTE: first you have to have a negotiated withdrawal agreement. You can't just take your bat and ball and go home. How long could the EU make those negotiations drag on? OME * I'm referring here to Hitler's oratory abilities, not the philosophy he was expounding.
Marty_d Posted June 1, 2016 Posted June 1, 2016 Dunno Phil... heard on the radio that latest polls still put it at 51% stay, 46% leave... at this point in time I don't think you have a majority!
M61A1 Posted June 1, 2016 Posted June 1, 2016 I used to work with a guy who seemed fairly intelligent....until voting time. He explained how he would be "wasting his vote", if he didn't back the party he thought would win. Pretty much like trying to back a winner at the races, absolutely nothing to with choosing the party he thought would run the country better. Since then I always wonder how many are out there, trying to pick going to win, rather than who they want.
Yenn Posted June 1, 2016 Posted June 1, 2016 M61A1. I wonder how many are out there blindly voting because it is compulsory, even though they have no idea about who is who. Then there are those who recently wailed about all the young people who had not enrolled. At least they decided they didn't want to vote, rather than do the donkey vote. We get the government we deserve, so they say. What we really get is not government, but electoral pandering to the loonies. It is funny that before the election started there were constant calls by the media to legalise same sex marriage, much kerfuffle from the pollies about it. Once the election was called it has disappeared from the news. I asked my local mamber where he stood on the subject. Absolute silence, the same as where he stood on CASA.
M61A1 Posted June 1, 2016 Posted June 1, 2016 Yep....The was a dill that wrote to the Toowoomba Chronicle a few weeks ago, proudly stating that all those who voted in the local election have no right to complain, as they got what they wanted, and that only those, like himself, who chose not to vote, have a right of complaint. Makes you wonder.... Some balanced media would be nice.
Phil Perry Posted June 1, 2016 Author Posted June 1, 2016 Dunno Phil... heard on the radio that latest polls still put it at 51% stay, 46% leave... at this point in time I don't think you have a majority! The polls were so wildly wrong at the last General Election Marty, that they were all regarded as a complete joke, so I wouldn't place any faith whatsoever in them. Some of the pollsters also have an 'Agenda' I was never much of a political activist at all,. . . but this has got me fired up with some enthusiasm. I have attended several 'Vote Leave' and 'Grassroots Out' functions; as well as running 'Which way are you going to vote' stalls in various towns and cities. We use the 'Table tennis balls in plastic tubes' method, each and every stand I've assisted with has shown 75 - 85 percent 'Leave' . . . . but the MS media seem to have other ideas. It has been announced that there will be no 'Exit Polls' for the referendum vote, since the polls have no previous data to extrapolate; the last referendum being 1974. I believe that most 'Older Folk' will more than likely vote to leave, since they remember 1) How we were screwed by total lies when the original vote was taken to join the EEC, "It's just a trading bloc,. . .nothing to worry about folks. . ." This being reinforced by lying Prime Ministers, Heath, Wilson and Blair. And 2) They remember when British History was actually TAUGHT in Schools. . . whih it patetly has NOT been since the late 1960s. Replaced by looney Leftie teachers and Headmasters pushing the socialist agenda, happy happy and no school sports as it is not fair to those who don't WIN. . . . . you couldn't bloody well make it up. This is why university students arrive on campus unable to string together a coherent sentence and with absolutely NO idea of our 1000 years of history, cos the Brits was Waaaaycist see. . .? Hmmm. EU have now openly admitted that political union was the plan from day one. There is only ONE real item to consider with this vote. Do we wish to be ruled by people we can get rid of after five years if they don't perform to quoted spec, . .OR, are we happy to have all of our laws and regulations dictated by the UNELECTED and unnassailable EU Commissioners, with no hope of ever overturning ANY of their edicts, EVER and Naturally being forced to adopt the Euro as our currency. One chance only. Future national referenda are now illegal under recently passed EU law. Phil.
Phil Perry Posted June 1, 2016 Author Posted June 1, 2016 Pat Condell's speech is the first coherent politically related speech I've heard in yonks. As a political speaker, it puts him up there with Churchill and Hitler * as rousing speech makers. I hope that the British people realise that a "Stay" vote is an abandonment of nearly 1000 years of political progress from rule by the whim of feudal warlords to universal suffrage - rule by the people. A "Stay" vote turns back the clock to 1066. Fortunately the Treaty of Lisbon provides a means for leaving the EU: Under TEU Article 50, a Member State would notify the European Council of its intention to exit the Union and a withdrawal agreement would be negotiated between the Union and that State. The treaties of the European Union would cease to be applicable to that State from the date of the agreement or, failing that, within two years of the notification unless the State and the Council both agree to extend this period. The agreement is concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council and must set out the arrangements for withdrawal, including a framework for the State's future relationship with the Union. The agreement is to be approved by the Council, acting by qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament. So, if Britain votes to leave, it is still has to wait two years after date of a negotiated withdrawal agreement if the European Parliament dilly-dallies. NOTE: first you have to have a negotiated withdrawal agreement. You can't just take your bat and ball and go home. How long could the EU make those negotiations drag on? OME * I'm referring here to Hitler's oratory abilities, not the philosophy he was expounding. Or we could just repeal the European Communities Act 1972 ?
Phil Perry Posted June 1, 2016 Author Posted June 1, 2016 Some Aphorisms from commenter 'comrades' ( ! ) in the UK and elsewhere in Europe. . . . Wednesday, 1 June 2016 Aphorisms: OK, I suppose I did ask for this... Well. It is my fault innit? Thought I would crowd source some aphorisms and look what happened. Thousands of videos, obscenities and all the normal great bantz. In amongst this tidal wave of 1600+ comments, there were a surprising number worth saving. After having, not one, but two laptops failing on me (they were far too old - but who wants a Windowz 10 upgrade on a piece of shit like Windowz 8?), I managed to get my new laptop working, after a fashion and began to manipulate the data. I had asked for 20 words maximum, 10 preferred. I got several copies of War and Peace. I had even one À la recherche du temps perdu! I managed to whittle all this down to what you see below. There are two lists A & B. In list A, I have had to pare the entries down, in places, to reach an acceptable length, still too long for aphorisms, which are meant to be pithy. So apologies to anyone who thinks I have strangled their dazzling creations. List B... What can I say. Perhaps best to admit I don't possess the frontal cortex size necessary to interpret most of them - but I can't omit them - as I know all of these illustrious authors to be true scholars. *How am I doing so far?* One thing is sure. A great many of our readers are out there spreading the message. It is beginning to have an effect. There is a tipping point which we have approached and may have already gone past. The greater we can ram the truth home, the more difficult it will be for the PTB to engineer a fraudulent outcome, as we saw in the Austrian presidential elections. There will come a point when the impossible situation will become just too much to survive. Thank you to everyone who took part. Thanks also to those who have been imbibing without care for their personal safety. No one will ever know just how much has gone in or gone down. Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you... Your Good Selves: List A hugo761 Democracy is not a right, it's a privilege to be constantly fought for. neveruptothejob Evil is never defeated - it's a constant battle. Ang Ryman UN Its not a matter of right and left. Its a matter of right and wrong. Ang Ryman UN Future housing requirements are a function of population growth. To deny this is to deny supply and demand. Control and manage by LEAVING the EU. Ang Ryman UN If we cannot replace those who make our laws, through the ballot box, we do not live in a democracy. Vote LEAVE. Ang Ryman UN Government for the people, by the people. The EU has stolen our power of self determination. Vote LEAVE. Ang Ryman UN Its a propaganda war now. Truthsayer Industrial nations are resilient against revolution. If we stop being one, then the risk returns. Roger Ackroyd Identity and belonging, two vitally important and central attributes to [our] welfare, lies within a radius of approximately 800 yards of one's domicile. Damaris Tighe The Windsors created a successful 20th cy monarchy by projecting as the UK's archetypal family. A country is an extended family, not a piece of paper. Ang Ryman UN Peoples who live in democracies do not go to war with one another. Reclaim democracy. Vote to LEAVE the anti-democratic EU. Ang Ryman UN Export our ideas and values: of liberty and peaceful co-existence, not importing their opposites. Fight to take control of our borders. Vote LEAVE. \/O43 |_|K19!! Obedience to authority stems from people's anticipation that "the group" will obey, wanting to stay within. Authoritarianism is anticipatory group-think. Ang Ryman UN Britons needs to shape history, not allow themselves to be shaped by it. Take control and Vote LEAVE. Monsieur Ramboz Agreed, non-integrated communities competing for scarce jobs and resources is an accident waiting to happen. Pete Tong If we win, we need to see who is sitting on our side of the table before we look for an umpire. Hugh Jeego If you want what's good for Britain, you need to get out more. Truthsayer The EU. It let's anyone in. Turkey, Ukraine, Bulgaria. Let's vote Leave because if it doesn't work out we can always rejoin. Let's face it: they take anyone. Ang Ryman UN Once you have availed yourself of the facts, the choice is an easy one. We must vote to LEAVE the EU. Ozymandias Thinking outside the crate. Ozymandias A line that seems to work well on waverers or those that just don't really care one way or the other is that, if Remain loses, Cameron will have to resign. Damaris Tighe Wow. Nice to be on the winning side of a petition for once. cynic You supply the money the EU uses to bribe your leaders. cynic Be friends, not slaves, of Europe. Balls Beaten Black and Blue Vote for Freedom, Sovereignty and Democracy. Vote leave. Robin Steptoe Britain was not established by cowards and cowards will not preserve it. Vote Leave On June 23rd Hugh Jeego The 28 members of the European Commission govern 600 million people, none of whom voted for them. Do you really need any other reason? Robin Steptoe If you are ashamed to stand by the union Jack, you had better seek another flag. Vote Leave Kit When decision making operates in secrecy is not a democracy. Eraser of Love Where there's a will - and there is a fucking will - there's a way - and there is a fucking way. Vote Leave 23rd June Hugh Jeego The EU - 28 Volker, 1 Reich, 1 Fuhrer? Judas was paid. Vote Remain and lose what you were given; vote Leave, and regain what has been taken away. HenryV Societies that haven't industrialised are more prone to revolution, but where is your proof that post-industrial societies are more prone? Just lurking the comments Political legitimacy springs from authority, the power to govern, rather than via the consent of the governed. It is a sham, a system by the few, for the few. Ang Ryman UN Is the EU working? Poverty and unemployment in Greece, Spain, Portugal, and Italy? Austerity helps Eurocrats and Banksters. Vote LEAVE, take control. DaveC Could be a 'Reichstag' type incident...I'm loathe to take anything at face value in these times Tolliver Groat When the government fears the people, we have liberty. When the people fear the government, we have tyranny. Tolliver Groat Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies. Tolliver Groat Quigley's Law - whoever has any authority over you, no matter how small, will attempt to use it. At the shrine of St Michael If the public doesn't want it, we do it anyway. Unofficial motto of the EU. Rick The Treaty of Rome wasn't destroyed in a day. Ang Ryman UN Look someone in the eye, repeat the words with a confident and assertive delivery, and many undecideds will be swayed. Lord Mandleslime of Fondleboys We follow our Laws. Not your directives! Vote Leave English Aborigine Good day! Did you vote for being lied to? You can change that! Hugh Jeego If they tell us nothing, it's just possible that there is nothing to tell. Rick You can take the mud from the bottom of the river but you cannot make of it a diamond. Be satisfied with a brick. Ang Ryman UN Needle in haystack. Hope your comb has fine teeth. Hear All See All Politicians will find the hidden fudge somewhere. Bwick Eventually even the meek defend themselves Tom The Europeans don't do democracy, do they? List B Lord Mandleslime of Fondleboys You've been busy Guardian's Quitter Katie Price? Oh... No, hang on... HogwartsBukkake I used to play triangle in the Band. RomaBob Has Barry found his dad yet? Sweaty Dave Imagine if Clinton gets in... Med Jumper Put that in the Grauniad and see how long until they ban you. SIZE 15CARBON FOOTPRINT I have never had a quick flash of gusset through a niqab. RomaBob A weird shape and very large in the belly and legs dept. Ang Ryman UN 10 to 20 words? cynic The EU ...bunch of Kants! Robin Steptoe Free KFC family bucket if you vote leave on June 23th Dave's Service Revolver Be careful SC knows the difference between fettuccine & fellatio. Or at least he knows one needs olive oil to be appreciated. Tom I tried to stay on topic, I really did: it was the others... Ang Ryman UN Feck that. The rest of the world can get Yorkshire lessons. RomaBob The enemy of the Eurocrats, knowledge, time for them to control the internet? woohoo002 If the top echelons of society are nervous, it leads to the betterment of society, as a gesture of self preservation. It is all good in my view :) woohoo002 The Government never realised the impact that the Internet would have in exposing them. Otherwise they would have banned it! Lord Mandleslime of Fondleboys If beauty is only skin deep, why are some people born inside out. ( Now you all know why most of my posts don't make any sense,. . .. I hang around with the above. . . . . )
old man emu Posted June 2, 2016 Posted June 2, 2016 European attempts to destroy Britain by economic means is not a new tactic. It was initially attempted by Napoleon during the Napoleonic Wars. He set up the Continental System in places he had conquered and with his allies. He decreed that all trade with Britain was prohibited. Britain went tit for tat and banned trade with any ally of France. This had the wonderful effect of reducing the incomes of all the French allies as Britain had been paying in coin for its purchases. Since the allies had no spare cash, they could not buy French luxuries. Napoleon knew he could not defeat Britain at sea, so he did the next best thing. He throttle Britain's trade with Russia in hemp, which was essential for the operations of Britain's navy and merchant marine. The same thing happens now when oil producers manipulate the supply of oil to gain political concessions. In both World Wars, sniffling of the flow of imports to Britain was an important part of Germany's military plans. Over the past 50 years, the EU and its predecessors have played the same cards - Kill British trade = Kill Britain. For an interesting look at the effects of the trade embargo on hemp, and its effect on Britain's empire read : "Sir Joseph Banks and the Question of Hemp", Dr John Jiggins ISBN 978-0-9578684-3-4 OME
Phil Perry Posted June 5, 2016 Author Posted June 5, 2016 LTC David Cameron conceals a small bill to the EU until after the referendum vote. . . . http://www.express.co.uk/news/...
fly_tornado Posted June 6, 2016 Posted June 6, 2016 27c is not a heat wave HOTTEST SUMMER EVER on the way: HEATWAVE to roast Britain within a FORTNIGHT
Spooks Posted June 6, 2016 Posted June 6, 2016 27c is not a heat waveHOTTEST SUMMER EVER on the way: HEATWAVE to roast Britain within a FORTNIGHT They say that every year. We'll have two days where the temperatures are North of 25'C followed by sub 15C with grey cloud and heavy rain.....followed by drought warnings, followed by the Grauniad declaring it the hottest year since the year started. It is an annual cycle!
Phil Perry Posted June 6, 2016 Author Posted June 6, 2016 27c is not a heat waveHOTTEST SUMMER EVER on the way: HEATWAVE to roast Britain within a FORTNIGHT It IS for HERE Mate ! Had to get the wide brimmed hat out on Sunday to protect me sensitive ears ( Psst - anyone got some spare corks ? )
M61A1 Posted June 7, 2016 Posted June 7, 2016 It IS for HERE Mate ! Had to get the wide brimmed hat out on Sunday to protect me sensitive ears ( Psst - anyone got some spare corks ? ) I was conversing with a Pomgolian one evening a few years back....he told me 28degC was a heatwave. I was inside at 9:00 pm and it was 38degC at the time. Toasty...
Marty_d Posted June 7, 2016 Posted June 7, 2016 I'm with the Poms on this. Anything over 25 is a heatwave.
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