Election 2016

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"Trickle-down economics" was a wonderful theory in principle, but the fundamental realities of human greed have ensured that it almost never happens the way it's theoretically supposed to.

 

We do have a highly regulated work environment Bruce, that's true. However a lot of that is our own stupid fault.

 

For example, having a wife who is a specialist doctor has opened my eyes to the abuses inherent in the WorkCover system, and we all end up paying for that. It's a bizarre but completely well documented and proven fact that many WorkCover patients do not get better until their claim is paid, irrespective of their injury. What should their claim payment have to do with the healing or rehabilitation of the human body? Absolutely nothing, according to all our current medical knowledge. But it does! This issue is the same across all generations of employees too, and you can't point your finger towards any one group of people or a particular demographic. The result is that the workplace gets the living bejeezus regulated out of it to try to avoid this (one of many) hefty cost.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

In a town I know well, there are 300 young people vegetating on Newstart while many old people struggle to operate their farms or businesses. You need more profit than most of these old people can make to afford an employee .

That shows that those farms aren't viable, if they can't generate enough revenue to pay a working wage and if you cut the gov benefits most country towns would collapse. Its better to scrap the pension, I've lost track of my mum's friends who travelling the world basically at taxpayers expense...

 

 

[M61A1]

how can you be on the "right" on economic views and work for a government contractor? Isn't that a contradiction in your beliefs?

Well, it WAS on the ABC site....all I did was answer the questions asked honestly, and it came up with a result.

 

So then, I've just done a bit of research and come to the conclusion that the correct answer to your question is "no".

 

 

[Yenn]

The latest unviable farms are dairy farms supplying Murray Goulburn and Parmalat. The government has a sure fire fix for that. More loans for farmers.

 

 

[Bruce]

The farms are are viable, but they can only pay one wage, not two.

 

The richest people in the district now are the council executives and the police.

 

Both of these get their money by promising terrible retribution if you don't pay your rates and taxes, from which they extract their wonderful incomes.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

Well, it WAS on the ABC site....all I did was answer the questions asked honestly, and it came up with a result.So then, I've just done a bit of research and come to the conclusion that the correct answer to your question is "no".

Comrade!

 

 

[fly_tornado]

The farms are are viable, but they can only pay one wage, not two.

So most farms now have invested in labour saving technologies which mean that a farm that hasn't is no longer viable.

 

 

[Bruce]

The most important thing to make a farm viable is not to have a loan to service.

 

And to get family workers who won't sue to help out at the busy times.

 

For myself, I would like a retirement assistant to handle things like disputing council rates, on account of how I'm too busy.

 

But bugger it, I'm not rich enough to have an assistant. You want a poor-paying job FT?

 

 

[bull]

The only thing you can say in his favor is that he might be the least worst of the 2 alternatives.

Sorry they are all bad ,time for new blood ALA, all the way in the senate ,so that at least when the shitheads get in ALA can keep them honest,[and don't get me started on the greens vote them last if not at all ]

 

 

[bull]

They're all short sighted. All we hear is "the economy" and that strange bloke "Jobson Growth"... (I yell it like a battle cry every time I hear some LNP stooge use the 3 word slogan).

Meanwhile we've got coral bleaching, rising ocean acidification, increase in severe weather events, the prospects of hundreds of thousands of refugees from disappearing Pacific islands... when is someone, apart from the Greens, going to bite the bullet and admit that climate change is THE most important issue facing us, not just ecologically but economically?

 

As much as I want Labor to win given their policies so far (negative gearing for example) - my vote is going to the Greens. There's more important things than fiddling round the edges of economic policy and if the major parties won't face it then they don't deserve my vote.

You poor man ,

 

 

[fly_tornado]

But bugger it, I'm not rich enough to have an assistant. You want a poor-paying job FT?

An offer good enough to refuse

 

Sorry they are all bad ,time for new blood ALA, all the way in the senate ,so that at least when the shitheads get in ALA can keep them honest,[and don't get me started on the greens vote them last if not at all ]

Bernard Gaynor is an idiot, if you read their manifesto you would know they have no chance of fixing anything

 

 

[Marty_d]

You poor man ,

Sorry Bull, was there supposed to be a comment after the comma?

 

 

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I have to agree that Bernard Gaynor is a very troubled individual and I'd look highly critically at any political party he purported to represent.

 

It is little wonder at all that he was booted out of the Army. When you join the military you sign up to do the military's work as directed by the Government of the day, not your interpretation of "God's work", which he seemed to be more interested in.

 

 

[bull]

Sorry Bull, was there supposed to be a comment after the comma?

Yes Marty No offence meant ,as all things seem to cause offence nowadays ,,I,m sorry if my comma offended you and will refrain from using them in future correspondence with yourself ok sorry ok

 

 

[Marty_d]

Not offended at all mate. Just thought you must've lost half your post.

 

 

[bull]

Not offended at all mate. Just thought you must've lost half your post.

Sorry Marty about the lack of the remaining post. But as we must be so politicaly correct these days I have chosen to refrain from the possibility of being accused of .A being racist B being a bigot and C being offensive to any group or individual about their political/sexual gender/religious beliefs or colour of their jocks etc .[bUT if the present management of our country continues in it,s present form ,{oh shit sorry about that comma] I have serious reservations that our aussie way of life and freedoms that we enjoy today will become history. And just my personal thoughts -A prime minister who was not elected and took control of this country by stealth and back room deals is re elected . I might just fly away...................[just the rantings of a bored and tired individual flyer with nothing else to do] ps .Nothing in this post is meant to be offensive/racist/rude/crude/gender specific/religious targeting /etc

 

 

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......I have serious reservations that our aussie way of life and freedoms that we enjoy today will become history.

I think that's being overly paranoid.

 

Every country in the world has problems to various extents (Australia has fewer than many) and it has been that way since time began. The nature of human behaviour ensures it stays that way because as a species we are completely incapable of consistently behaving nicely and considerately to each other.

 

Food for thought: if the PM who "took control of this country by stealth" wins the election, then he becomes "elected" by default. Surely there can't be any further grounds for complaint about his existence in the job (aside from the fact that you simply might not like him), unless you want to scrap elections?

 

The same thing happened with Gillard. Yes, she wrestled the job "by stealth", to put it one way. Although neither party happened to gain an absolute majority in the subsequent election, she managed to negotiate better with those who held the balance of power and therefore was able to form a Government. I still don't believe the reaction of some people over it. I mean, they completely lost their marbles. I'm surprised we didn't Opposition supporters going around randomly setting fire to cars and throwing bricks through shop windows, such was the level of fury they vented. Both major parties had to try to negotiate support from 3rd parties to form a Government (this happens elsewhere around the world occasionally too, where coalition Governments rise from the ashes of elections). She did, the other guy didn't. It's that simple. At some point we have to sort of get over it, get on with life, and if it really bothers us, look forward to the next election and opportunity to "make things right" (in our own personal political opinions!).

 

 

[Bruce]

The problem with the Greens is that they are too ignorant of basic science to achieve anything green.

 

For example, they are implacably opposed to nuclear power, which is the only hope the world has to avoid cooking.

 

And they seem to want unlimited immigration to Australia, without any consideration of the carrying capacity.

 

I reckon they should be called the Browns, on account of that's the colour of a cooked and overpopulated landscape.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

Bruce, I'm pretty sure the reason we don't have nuclear power in Aus is because the libs and labor are captured by the coal lobby.

 

Nuclear is a crap option, it would leave australia's energy market at the mercy of a single US or EU power company. At least solar can provide some regional employment

 

 

[M61A1]

Bruce, I'm pretty sure the reason we don't have nuclear power in Aus is because the libs and labor are captured by the coal lobby.

Actually, it would be more to do with the hysteria promoted by the greens.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

 

its hard when the truth about your corrupt political parties keeps popping up

 

greens vote has only just past 10%, that's not exactly the 51% mob rule is it?

 

 

[M61A1]

A little bit of hysteria goes a long way...

 

 

[fly_tornado]

Now the bloody greenies won't let you drink that sweet oakey water and its safe as houses

 

 

[Bruce]

I reckon FT that nuclear might be a crap option, but it is by miles the least worst compared with cooking the planet.

 

 

[M61A1]

Now the bloody greenies won't let you drink that sweet oakey water and its safe as houses

The reality is that the water is probably ok, but lawyers are involved, so don't expect a realistic outcome. What the "victims" (and I use the term very loosely) don't seem to get is that the law companies are not there the help people, despite their claims. It's all about getting a dollar from someone with deep pockets. I would love to see results of tests looking for the types of chemicals the farmers have been flooding the ground with around here, results might be surprising, but they don't have deep pockets.