Republican win

[octave]

No, I don't have any views on Trump. Just word usage, and the tendency on this forum to use forms of name calling of those in the opposite camp. Sycophant is a term usually used in a derogatory way.

Octave, I don't mean any disrespect to you personally; how you choose to address people is your choice.

 

Cheers, Willie.

Fine I am man enough to admit that that word may be a little too un pc, so you win on that point. Amy other complaints?

 

 

[willedoo]

Fine I am man enough to admit that that word may be a little too un pc, so you win on that point. Amy other complaints?

No Octave, that's fine by me. I was making one point only and it's been made.

 

 

[octave]

No Octave, that's fine by me. I was making one point only and it's been made.

Yep no worries, I also have a problem sometimes with the language used on this forum and so appreciate having my own language critiqued if it is over the top (although I think my miss usage was quite mild lol)

 

 

[willedoo]

Yep no worries, I also have a problem sometimes with the language used on this forum and so appreciate having my own language critiqued if it is over the top (although I think my miss usage was quite mild lol)

Yes, there's certainly been worse mis-usages over the life of this forum.

 

Cheers, Willie.

 

 

[SDQDI]

You have to be careful Octave otherwise you come across as sesquipedalian.

 

 

[octave]

You have to be careful Octave otherwise you come across as sesquipedalian.

"sesquipedalian' how dare you??? (if only I had some kind of device that I could type that word into find out what it means... oh wait)

 

Are you referring to the word usements I structure? do you have a problem with the posts what I write?

 

 

[Marty_d]

Well terminology and name-calling aside, I was wondering the same thing as Octave.

 

In the fortnight since he became POTUS, Trump has acted even more erratically, bullying and thin-skinned than before the election. Most world leaders think he's a joke. I bet Teresa May is regretting offering him a State visit (HRH must be grinding her teeth over that one, if she has any left).

 

The best thing Mr Trumble... er, Turnbull could do is break off the refugee deal himself and bring that lot to Australia. Of course he won't, on the pretext that the smugglers will start back up (they won't; they're smart enough to know the difference between a one-off action caused by Trump's stupidity, and a change in policy, and so are their clients) - but the real reason is that the conservative twit brigade are still standing firmly on his privates. Even giving his party $1.75 million is not enough to keep his job if he shows even the slightest hint of logic or common sense, and Turnbull has proved over and over that keeping his job comes ahead of any principles he used to have.

 

Anyway, I digress... but yes, before the election there was a small but trenchant minority who acted as Trump cheerleaders (not an enviable position on so many levels)... but since the clown has been elected they seem to have lost their voices. I understand if they're stunned into silence by the insanity of the man.

 

 

[SDQDI]

"sesquipedalian' how dare you??? (if only I had some kind of device that I could type that word into find out what it means... oh wait)

Are you referring to the word usements I structure? do you have a problem with the posts what I write?

I have no problem with anyone's posts, including yours, I just thought I would poke a bit of fun at big words by using a big word:wink:.

 

I do find that when people use big words unnescesarilly they come across as being uppity. I wonder if that is just an Australian lower class response or is it a common phycological phenomenon?

 

But either way I hold nothing against you Octave, it is just my childishness shining through (those who know me understand).

 

 

[octave]

I have no problem with anyone's posts, including yours, I just thought I would poke a bit of fun at big words by using a big word:wink:.

I do find that when people use big words unnescesarilly they come across as being uppity. I wonder if that is just an Australian lower class response or is it a common phycological phenomenon?

 

But either way I hold nothing against you Octave, it is just my childishness shining through (those who know me understand).

No problem whatsoever here, post #443 was totally in jest

 

 

[old man emu]

Any person who would use sesquipedalian in common parlance is the type who, given an inch, would take a mile.

 

OME

 

[Meaning "sesquipedalian word" (1830) is from Latin sesquipedalia verba"words a foot-and-a-half long," in Horace's "Ars Poetica" (97), nicely illustrating the thing he is criticizing.]

 

 

[M61A1]

Well terminology and name-calling aside, I was wondering the same thing as Octave.

In the fortnight since he became POTUS, Trump has acted even more erratically, bullying and thin-skinned than before the election. Most world leaders think he's a joke. I bet Teresa May is regretting offering him a State visit (HRH must be grinding her teeth over that one, if she has any left).

 

The best thing Mr Trumble... er, Turnbull could do is break off the refugee deal himself and bring that lot to Australia. Of course he won't, on the pretext that the smugglers will start back up (they won't; they're smart enough to know the difference between a one-off action caused by Trump's stupidity, and a change in policy, and so are their clients) - but the real reason is that the conservative twit brigade are still standing firmly on his privates. Even giving his party $1.75 million is not enough to keep his job if he shows even the slightest hint of logic or common sense, and Turnbull has proved over and over that keeping his job comes ahead of any principles he used to have.

 

Anyway, I digress... but yes, before the election there was a small but trenchant minority who acted as Trump cheerleaders (not an enviable position on so many levels)... but since the clown has been elected they seem to have lost their voices. I understand if they're stunned into silence by the insanity of the man.

I have no particular stance on Trump, but it's early days, too early to really see how things will actually pan out.

 

Keep in mind that what you may consider a disaster, a Trump supporter may consider as a positive outcome.

 

What has absolutely stunned me is the hypocrisy of those who preach tolerance, and ever since Trump was elected have done nothing but spew hatred and intolerance.

 

Maybe this article of Janet Albrechtsen's might help you understand the silence....

 

On a dank and foggy Sunday morning in New York, barely a day after the inauguration of Donald Trump, the level of crazy in America’s left-liberal heartland became crystal clear. After an early morning run in Central Park, I quip to a man with a horse and carriage offering trips around the park: “Where’s your Trump badge?” The man opens his heavy jacket. His Trump badge is hidden inside. “Hey, you don’t need to be a shy Trump voter any more,” I laugh, “He’s President now.”

 

“I have to hide it. My horse has been attacked by protesters. Democracy is great. People have a right to their views. But don’t attack my horse. When your side loses you have to accept that. This is wrong,” Tom says, on the day after the women’s march brought this and other cities to a standstill.

 

Later I venture out from my hotel room wearing a red Make America Great Again cap. It’s half experiment, half up-yours to the bad losers. A well-dressed man in his 60s is in the lift as I enter at the 41st floor. “I support you,” he says quietly, even though we’re alone. “You’re brave to be stepping out in that.” We talk about how crazy that is after a democratic election and an inauguration.

 

Later, walking around the Upper East and Upper West Side of NYC, not a single shout or snigger has been directed at the hat or its wearer. It wasn’t like that yesterday as the women’s march roared through the streets, over-emoting an election result.

 

In fact, three for three in my favour tells its own crazy story. The second comment is a quick “I’m with you” from a bloke walking towards me. Later, at the annual Winter Antiques Fair at the Park Avenue Armory, I’m finishing off lunch at the cafe when two well-dressed upper-middle-class New Yorkers sit near me. The man asks politely whether my tomato soup is good. Yes, I say, and he tells me about his vegetarian chilli soup. After a few more sips of his soup, he motions to the Trump hat. “You’re brave to wear that hat,” he says quietly. “But I’m with you,” he adds, echoing my two previous interlocutors. Quietly, his wife says she is with me too.

 

The New Yorkers were born in eastern Europe, one Czech, one Hungarian. Both had parents who were Holocaust survivors. They loathe the offensive side of Trump, the non-presidential tone, but they want economic prosperity and physical security. Simple as that.

 

In this city at least, something akin to an underground movement has emerged from those two entirely natural human desires. When polite chitchat leads to barely audible talk about supporting Trump, it feels almost subversive. In NYC the shy Trump voter is still shy. Maybe more so now.

 

The man in the cafe describes his monthly poetry reading group on the Upper West Side. His fellow poetry readers say they can’t sleep because of Trump. They don’t understand what’s happened or why. They don’t want to. “It shows how illiberal the so-called left-liberals are,” he tells me. “We can’t even talk politics with them. It’s just crazy stuff.”

 

A few days later, a few remarks from Donald Trump’s chief White House strategist Steve Bannon confirm the level of crazy that has settled into the US political landscape. “The media should be embarrassed and humiliated and keep its mouth shut and just listen for a while,” Bannon tells The New York Times.

 

“I want you to quote this. The media here is the opposition party. They don’t understand the country. They still don’t understand why Donald Trump is the President of the United States.”

 

Boom. “White House tells media to shut up”, raged the left-liberal media, proving in record speed Bannon’s critique of the media. That is a threat, roared The Guardian. The Huffington Post used Bannon’s remarks to accuse the Trump administration, barely a week old, of already looking like the worst of Richard Nixon. CNN’s Christiane Amanpour likened Bannon’s shut-up comment to the working of a totalitarian regime, quipping this is how you angle for an order of merit from the presidents of Egypt, Russia and Turkey.

 

Dear Christiane, Turkey locks up more journalists than any other country. The US doesn’t imprison journalists for doing their job, whichever way they want to do it. Yours sincerely, Janet.

 

Default outrage prevented the media from hearing Bannon’s real point: the media should listen more if they want to understand why Trump is President. Like the Upper West Side poetry group, the media still don’t want to listen and learn. Like the anti-Trump protesters, they still don’t want to understand Trump’s supporters.

 

We know the outraged left-wing press didn’t listen to Trump supporters because even the publisher of the NYT apologised to subscribers after the election for its coverage. The Washington Post tried to make amends by running letters from Trump supporters. Pity the Post wasn’t interested before the election.

 

We also know that sections of the left-liberal press openly adopted an oppositional stance to Trump because they admitted as much. Writing on the Daily Caller website last week, Rachel Stoltfoos reminded us that former National Public Radio boss Ken Stern advocated oppositional tactics because Trump is “an affront to American democracy”. Tellingly, Stern admitted the price: “The next time Fox News or Breitbart caterwaul about media bias, the claim will have substantially more bite.”

 

The bite marks of bias grow deeper and more grotesque the longer the left-wing media refuses to listen. At his first official meeting, Trump spoke at CIA headquarters in Virginia. He was given a standing ovation and cheered during his speech. Over at CNN, TV hosts hyperventilated about Trump’s self-congratulatory remarks while standing in front of the agency’s memorial to its dead officers. CNN’s TV stars didn’t report the audience cheering Trump because they weren’t listening.

 

Last week The Economist downgraded the US from a full to a flawed democracy. Its so-called Intelligence Unit explained the downgrade was due to a “further erosion of trust in government and elected officials there”. Using more intelligent criteria — say, the ability or failure to listen — the Intelligence Unit should have downgraded a media that failed to listen to Trump supporters, not to mention the woman who refused to listen to people she nicknamed deplorables. Where’s the flaw in a democracy when the candidate who listened most to those who are wary of DC politics won a democratic election and is now President?

 

While American left-liberal media outlets resume normal programming of blocking their ears, top-rating shows on Foxtel’s Sky News Australia will be leaving the studio this year to listen and report on grassroots issues from people outside the big cities. As Sky’s David Speers said: “It’s incumbent on us in the media to do a better job of listening to those people who genuinely feel they’re not being heard or genuinely represented by the governing class.”

 

Trump’s win is a wake-up call for our politicians to do the same or else feel the eventual backlash of shy voters emboldened by the privacy of the ballot box

 

 

[fly_tornado]

^^ Lügenpresse ^^

 

 

[M61A1]

^^ Lügenpresse ^^

And of course, everything a celebrity says on twitter is gospel....

 

 

[dutchroll]

Just a suggestion to all forum members - if you must resort to name calling of those with an opposite opinion, at least try to use the correct terminology.

Trump minion?

 

Minion: noun. A follower or underling of a powerful person, especially a servile or unimportant one.

 

Servile: adjective. Slavishly submissive or obsequious; fawning.

 

Obsequious: adjective. Characterised by or showing complaisance or deference.

 

Complaisant: adjective. Willing to please others or to accept what they do or say without protest.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

And of course, everything a celebrity says on twitter is gospel....

 

 

[Teckair]

Trump Asked A Contractor To Build The Wall. His Response is PERFECT

makes sense to me.

 

So where have all the Trump sycophants on this forum gone?

I have got sick of the left extreme bigoted attitude.

 

 

[dutchroll]

I have got sick of the left extreme bigoted attitude.

Sick of it eh?

 

Gee and someone thinks the word leftard is wrong.

No bigotry here.

 

If Trump does half the things the leftards say he will someone will probably shoot him, oh by the way calling people idiots for there voting choice makes you a bigot

No bigotry here (though just a wee slight barely noticeable touch of irony in talking of leftards, then immediately alleging that calling people names for their voting choice makes you a bigot).

 

The ABC is the same tax payer funded leftard BS.

No bigotry here.

 

Funny thing that, it turned out to be true, despite the best efforts of the leftard media and "celebrities" he got in

No bigotry here.

 

 

[Teckair]

Sick of it eh?

 

No bigotry here.

 

No bigotry here (though just a wee slight barely noticeable touch of irony in talking of leftards, then immediately alleging that calling people names for their voting choice makes you a bigot).

 

No bigotry here.

 

No bigotry here.

What ever if you think I am the main offender here then so be it.

 

 

[Marty_d]

I have no particular stance on Trump, but it's early days, too early to really see how things will actually pan out.Keep in mind that what you may consider a disaster, a Trump supporter may consider as a positive outcome.

 

What has absolutely stunned me is the hypocrisy of those who preach tolerance, and ever since Trump was elected have done nothing but spew hatred and intolerance.

 

Maybe this article of Janet Albrechtsen's might help you understand the silence....

 

On a dank and foggy Sunday morning in New York, barely a day after the inauguration of Donald Trump, the level of crazy in America’s left-liberal heartland became crystal clear. After an early morning run in Central Park, I quip to a man with a horse and carriage offering trips around the park: “Where’s your Trump badge?” The man opens his heavy jacket. His Trump badge is hidden inside. “Hey, you don’t need to be a shy Trump voter any more,” I laugh, “He’s President now.”

 

“I have to hide it. My horse has been attacked by protesters. Democracy is great. People have a right to their views. But don’t attack my horse. When your side loses you have to accept that. This is wrong,” Tom says, on the day after the women’s march brought this and other cities to a standstill.

 

Later I venture out from my hotel room wearing a red Make America Great Again cap. It’s half experiment, half up-yours to the bad losers. A well-dressed man in his 60s is in the lift as I enter at the 41st floor. “I support you,” he says quietly, even though we’re alone. “You’re brave to be stepping out in that.” We talk about how crazy that is after a democratic election and an inauguration.

 

Later, walking around the Upper East and Upper West Side of NYC, not a single shout or snigger has been directed at the hat or its wearer. It wasn’t like that yesterday as the women’s march roared through the streets, over-emoting an election result.

 

In fact, three for three in my favour tells its own crazy story. The second comment is a quick “I’m with you” from a bloke walking towards me. Later, at the annual Winter Antiques Fair at the Park Avenue Armory, I’m finishing off lunch at the cafe when two well-dressed upper-middle-class New Yorkers sit near me. The man asks politely whether my tomato soup is good. Yes, I say, and he tells me about his vegetarian chilli soup. After a few more sips of his soup, he motions to the Trump hat. “You’re brave to wear that hat,” he says quietly. “But I’m with you,” he adds, echoing my two previous interlocutors. Quietly, his wife says she is with me too.

 

The New Yorkers were born in eastern Europe, one Czech, one Hungarian. Both had parents who were Holocaust survivors. They loathe the offensive side of Trump, the non-presidential tone, but they want economic prosperity and physical security. Simple as that.

 

In this city at least, something akin to an underground movement has emerged from those two entirely natural human desires. When polite chitchat leads to barely audible talk about supporting Trump, it feels almost subversive. In NYC the shy Trump voter is still shy. Maybe more so now.

 

The man in the cafe describes his monthly poetry reading group on the Upper West Side. His fellow poetry readers say they can’t sleep because of Trump. They don’t understand what’s happened or why. They don’t want to. “It shows how illiberal the so-called left-liberals are,” he tells me. “We can’t even talk politics with them. It’s just crazy stuff.”

 

A few days later, a few remarks from Donald Trump’s chief White House strategist Steve Bannon confirm the level of crazy that has settled into the US political landscape. “The media should be embarrassed and humiliated and keep its mouth shut and just listen for a while,” Bannon tells The New York Times.

 

“I want you to quote this. The media here is the opposition party. They don’t understand the country. They still don’t understand why Donald Trump is the President of the United States.”

 

Boom. “White House tells media to shut up”, raged the left-liberal media, proving in record speed Bannon’s critique of the media. That is a threat, roared The Guardian. The Huffington Post used Bannon’s remarks to accuse the Trump administration, barely a week old, of already looking like the worst of Richard Nixon. CNN’s Christiane Amanpour likened Bannon’s shut-up comment to the working of a totalitarian regime, quipping this is how you angle for an order of merit from the presidents of Egypt, Russia and Turkey.

 

Dear Christiane, Turkey locks up more journalists than any other country. The US doesn’t imprison journalists for doing their job, whichever way they want to do it. Yours sincerely, Janet.

 

Default outrage prevented the media from hearing Bannon’s real point: the media should listen more if they want to understand why Trump is President. Like the Upper West Side poetry group, the media still don’t want to listen and learn. Like the anti-Trump protesters, they still don’t want to understand Trump’s supporters.

 

We know the outraged left-wing press didn’t listen to Trump supporters because even the publisher of the NYT apologised to subscribers after the election for its coverage. The Washington Post tried to make amends by running letters from Trump supporters. Pity the Post wasn’t interested before the election.

 

We also know that sections of the left-liberal press openly adopted an oppositional stance to Trump because they admitted as much. Writing on the Daily Caller website last week, Rachel Stoltfoos reminded us that former National Public Radio boss Ken Stern advocated oppositional tactics because Trump is “an affront to American democracy”. Tellingly, Stern admitted the price: “The next time Fox News or Breitbart caterwaul about media bias, the claim will have substantially more bite.”

 

The bite marks of bias grow deeper and more grotesque the longer the left-wing media refuses to listen. At his first official meeting, Trump spoke at CIA headquarters in Virginia. He was given a standing ovation and cheered during his speech. Over at CNN, TV hosts hyperventilated about Trump’s self-congratulatory remarks while standing in front of the agency’s memorial to its dead officers. CNN’s TV stars didn’t report the audience cheering Trump because they weren’t listening.

 

Last week The Economist downgraded the US from a full to a flawed democracy. Its so-called Intelligence Unit explained the downgrade was due to a “further erosion of trust in government and elected officials there”. Using more intelligent criteria — say, the ability or failure to listen — the Intelligence Unit should have downgraded a media that failed to listen to Trump supporters, not to mention the woman who refused to listen to people she nicknamed deplorables. Where’s the flaw in a democracy when the candidate who listened most to those who are wary of DC politics won a democratic election and is now President?

 

While American left-liberal media outlets resume normal programming of blocking their ears, top-rating shows on Foxtel’s Sky News Australia will be leaving the studio this year to listen and report on grassroots issues from people outside the big cities. As Sky’s David Speers said: “It’s incumbent on us in the media to do a better job of listening to those people who genuinely feel they’re not being heard or genuinely represented by the governing class.”

 

Trump’s win is a wake-up call for our politicians to do the same or else feel the eventual backlash of shy voters emboldened by the privacy of the ballot box

While it's an interesting viewpoint, it's a bit rich of Janet Albrechtsen to harp on about bias and the left-wing media (especially when pretty much all media, left, right or indifferent, is reporting Trump's shortcomings on a daily basis). Janet's bias is, and always has been, far to the right.

 

 

[dutchroll]

What ever if you think I am the main offender here then so be it.

I made no judgement about who offends more than whoever else.

 

I made two posts this evening pointing out what I consider fairly obvious hypocrisy in the commentary of two individuals. One was Gnarly Gnu. One was you.

 

It's pretty rich to go about complaining of bigotry while continuously collectively referring to just about anyone with views to the left of Augusto Pinochet as a "leftard".

 

This is nothing to do with being politically correct. It's about not being an ass. It would actually be more acceptable to call them "twits" if you must continually hurl insults collectively at an entire segment of the world's population. Even "moron" or "fool" is more acceptable. What is in the drinking water that makes a segment of the political spectrum use a word absolutely directly derived from the mockery of genuinely intellectually disabled people to describe those who hold opposing political views?

 

While it's an interesting viewpoint, it's a bit rich of Janet Albrechtsen to harp on about bias and the left-wing media

.....and write opinion columns for The Australian.

 

I was in her class in high school. Fascinating what some people go on to achieve and what some people don't.

 

 

[M61A1]

While it's an interesting viewpoint, it's a bit rich of Janet Albrechtsen to harp on about bias and the left-wing media (especially when pretty much all media, left, right or indifferent, is reporting Trump's shortcomings on a daily basis). Janet's bias is, and always has been, far to the right.

I think that the point was missed.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

^^ Lügenpresse ^^

 

when any thing other than blind obedience is considered subversion

 

 

[Teckair]

It's pretty rich to go about complaining of bigotry while continuously collectively referring to just about anyone with views to the left of Augusto Pinochet as a "leftard".

I agreed to stop saying that some time ago but I imagine you will already know that, funny thing though I seem to be the only one, LOCP like Marty is quite happy to brand people as idiots for their voting choice and surprise, surprise you have no problem with that.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

so far Trump is showing the tactical brilliance akin to GWBush

 

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/trumps-first-military-raid-was-an-avoidable-tragedy-1791928904

 

 

[Yenn]

The big difference between Trump, pre election and post election is that since the inauguration we havn't seen any of the leggy mini skirted shelias he surrounded himself with before the election.

 

That is my biggest gripe. I miss them.