Keep your Theist/Atheist arguments here

[Yenn]

What if you have no teeth?

 

 

[pmccarthy]

People throughout history have sacrificed their most valuable things to the gods, hoping for redemption, or rain, or warmer weather. They sacrificed animals, children, jewellery. In the Bronze Age they broke valuable objects and threw them into swamps. Incas threw gold into deep wells. We are no different. A mass hysteria has gripped the otherwise intelligent world, making them wish to sacrifice the basis of our well-being to appease the gods. Shut down the mines, turn off the power stations. The gods will reward us by stopping the cycles of climate change that have continued since the world began.

 

 

[octave]

People throughout history have sacrificed their most valuable things to the gods, hoping for redemption, or rain, or warmer weather. They sacrificed animals, children, jewellery. In the Bronze Age they broke valuable objects and threw them into swamps. Incas threw gold into deep wells. We are no different. A mass hysteria has gripped the otherwise intelligent world, making them wish to sacrifice the basis of our well-being to appease the gods. Shut down the mines, turn off the power stations. The gods will reward us by stopping the cycles of climate change that have continued since the world began.

 

 

 

To link this to religion is drawing I long and desperate bow.

 

They are few people that want to shut down mines or immediately close down power stations.  PM do you think that is what I want? Do you think that I am some religious zealot who wants to bring down the economy?

 

The cement industry is responsible for I believe 5% of CO2 emissions.  I don't want stop humanity using cement or concrete I just want smart innovative people and companies to come up with new and better ways.   Here are some smart people innovating cement that both uses less energy to produce and it actually sequesters CO2.  

 

 

  Who are the religious zealots funding this BP.  PM you are going to have to accept that your position is a minority position.  It must be difficult when you can't reference scientific organisations but must rely on the odd contrarian.    

 

Mining will always be important in our society.   Even renewable tech needs the minerals that the mining industry supply.    Mining will not go away but what we mine will change as we progress. 

 

A mass hysteria has gripped the otherwise intelligent world, making them wish to sacrifice the basis of our well-being to appease the gods.

 

It would be interesting to make a list of these otherwise intelligent individuals or perhaps it would be quicker to compile a list of those who do not accept to some degree the scientific evidence.  

 

If you genuinely believe that the likes of Bill Gates amongst many others are unintelligent and hysterical I suspect perhaps you need a more convincing argument.

 

 

[Marty_d]

What if you have no teeth?

 

Then there's a slapping of gums.

 

People throughout history have sacrificed their most valuable things to the gods, hoping for redemption, or rain, or warmer weather. They sacrificed animals, children, jewellery. In the Bronze Age they broke valuable objects and threw them into swamps. Incas threw gold into deep wells. We are no different. A mass hysteria has gripped the otherwise intelligent world, making them wish to sacrifice the basis of our well-being to appease the gods. Shut down the mines, turn off the power stations. The gods will reward us by stopping the cycles of climate change that have continued since the world began.

 

You're a bit confused there.  The rabid religious types are the ones that think climate change is a joke made up by scientists.  Probably a similar type to those who believed the world is flat, the earth is the centre of the universe, dinosaurs never existed, god made the earth x thousand years ago (for x insert random number between 2 and 9), women should be subservient to men, races other than white are inferior, the moon landing was faked and Donald Trump was a good idea.

 

If you're uncomfortable being in agreement with these types, that's certainly understandable, but try to see the inconsistency of accepting proven peer-reviewed scientific conclusions from a vast majority of scientists on everything else - but not this.

 

 

[spacesailor]

"If you're uncomfortable being in agreement with these types, that's certainly understandable,"

 

Some people need to say "we're comfortable!" Just to survive.

 

Take the Christian religious persecution of old, AGREE   or DIE.

 

The other religion say's death to Christians, so change or die.

 

spacesailor

 

 

[pmccarthy]

Then there's a slapping of gums.

 

You're a bit confused there.  The rabid religious types are the ones that think climate change is a joke made up by scientists.  Probably a similar type to those who believed the world is flat, the earth is the centre of the universe, dinosaurs never existed, god made the earth x thousand years ago (for x insert random number between 2 and 9), women should be subservient to men, races other than white are inferior, the moon landing was faked and Donald Trump was a good idea.

 

If you're uncomfortable being in agreement with these types, that's certainly understandable, but try to see the inconsistency of accepting proven peer-reviewed scientific conclusions from a vast majority of scientists on everything else - but not this.

 

You have this 180 degrees around. The warmists simply believe what they have been told by a religious establishment. Dig deep for the facts, and you will find there is no more support for them than there is for any other religion. They have a vast priesthood of believer scientists, who interpret the doctrine but don’t look at the underlying assumptions.

 

 

[Marty_d]

You have this 180 degrees around. The warmists simply believe what they have been told by a religious establishment. Dig deep for the facts, and you will find there is no more support for them than there is for any other religion. They have a vast priesthood of believer scientists, who interpret the doctrine but don’t look at the underlying assumptions.

 

I don't think so.  If you dig deep for the facts, you'll find a vast collection of data.

 

You'd have to be a specialist in the field to even attempt to understand the implications.

 

So we have a vast majority of scientists, who have far more of an understanding than me or you, all saying the same thing (consistently, for 30 years in some cases).

 

On the other hand you have a minority who disagree with the conclusions, seemingly either from an ideological or financial standpoint in many cases.  It's like the people who argue against vaccination, or holocaust deniers.  I'm sure many of them are very persuasive if you were to watch and listen to their monologues, but if you step back and weigh the evidence you know they're full of shit.

 

 

[pmccarthy]

I look at the data and dont accept the religion. No climate model has successfully predicted anything. There is overwhelming geological evidence that disproves the relationships relied upon. There is ample chemical evidence that CO2 cannot drive climate. Why would anyone believe the dogma?

 

 

[octave]

I look at the data and dont accept the religion. No climate model has successfully predicted anything. There is overwhelming geological evidence that disproves the relationships relied upon. There is ample chemical evidence that CO2 cannot drive climate. Why would anyone believe the dogma?

 

Because of the majority of scientific evidence. 

 

Which models are you referring to  I believe the majority of projections have been accurate.

 

Analysis: How well have climate models projected global warming? 

 

What do we learn from James Hansen's 1988 prediction?

 

https://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2018/06/22/no-hansen-wasnt-wrong/

 

https://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2018/06/judgment-on-hansens-88-climate-testimony-he-was-right/

 

 

 

[pmccarthy]

I know this is thread drift and we have another place for this discussion, but....

 

using the same approach that is taken against skeptics, I point out that your source Leo Hickman is not a climate scientist or any sort of scientist. He has a degree in art history. He is a former journalist who makes his living by promoting climate hysteria. I would not believe anything he writes.

 

 

[Bruce]

I would have some sympathy for your opinion pmc, if I had not visited the glaciers of New Zealand's south island.  Well isolated from any interference, ( except the planet's temperature ) they are all shrinking terribly. You have to go miles further than you did a few decades ago if you want to see some ice.

 

There are lots of similar examples available, but not ones where I have personally been there. 

 

The notion of a conspiracy among left-thinking scientists is harder for me to accept, but we see something like that in Australia with insane environmental regulations which expose us to worse bushfires than necessary. Take the guy in Qld who was prosecuted and fined for making his firebreaks too wide. Why were  there not scientists defending him?

 

I could list other examples of government insanity, they are easy to find in history and in current affairs.  So the idea of a conspiracy is possible, it would just be another insane thing.

 

 

[Bruce Tuncks]

Here is my biggest objection to religion...  The stuff was written by profoundly ignorant men. They knew nothing about biology or geography or astronomy...  you could continue through every subject. But they didn't know they were ignorant. All this stuff was " unknown unknowns". They thought, with their bronze-age knowledge, that they knew everything.

How people today can agree with this is a mystery to me.

[old man emu]

Religion is a fabric woven from the threads of practical governance and curiosity.

 

The Ten Commandments, which are the embryonic stage of our complex Criminal and Civil Law, were produced for to enable family clans to live together with others in settlements and to try to prevent the actions that lead to arguments and violence. Mankind's curiosity applied its current knowledge of the punitive power of a clan's head person to the question of "Who has punitive power over all the people in the villages and towns we can see in our wider expanse?" The answer was that there must be superior, unseen beings who were able to do good or bad for Mnkind. These unseen beings evolved from the Nature spirits to become the gods of civilisations. As in human societies, it is better to kiss the arse of the boss than to slap his face, so religions became the distillation of practices aimed at more efficient arse kissing.

[onetrack]

I'm quite happy to believe in a God who made this Universe and Planet Earth specifically for Humankind. I believe the theory of Evolution is just that - a theory produced by a man (or men) struggling to grasp the enormity of the Universe, and that one Deity could be largely responsible for it. 

 

However, I also tend to the belief that science and religion actually complement and reinforce each other - not the opposite. The laws of Physics and Maths and Chemistry, are the laws of that same God. But people use science to try and debunk religious views.

 

It is easy enough to debunk religions, but one has to remember that religions are man-made structures, using individual interpretations of the Bible, and other religious writings. There are no instructions in the Bible to form Religious Organisations, that try to dominate peoples lives with rules and regulations they have made up themselves.

 

The bottom line is that Evolution is not possible, nor a sustainable scientific series of events. To try and state with scientific certainty, that Homo Sapiens originated from primordial ooze is fantasy land to me.

 

There are at least 200 life-support systems of incredible complexity in the human body - all of which are needed for the support of human life. The endocrine system, the muscular system, the nervous system - these are just some of the examples.

 

To try and say that Evolution produced Homo Sapiens, and the 200 life-support systems in the correct order, to sustain life (remembering that many of these systems would need to be developed simultaneously), is laughable to me.

 

The equivalent, in gambling terms, would be for me to put 200 numbered coins in my pocket, then reach in and draw out all 200 numbered coins in precisely the right consecutive numbering sequence. The odds are not just in the billions, they are in the centillions.

Edited September 27, 2020 by onetrack

[Yenn]

If I accept that there is a god or something that made all that is on the world and also that evolution could not happen because the results are too complex for evolutiion to produce. Then I wonder who or what produced the god.

Concerning the ten commandments, the first few of them indicate to me that our God is a very insecure being. Not at all sure that he can command all that exists and wants to be considered wonderful. Does that remind you of a politician?

[old man emu]

2 hours ago, Yenn said:

the first few of them indicate to me that our God is a very insecure being.

You have to place those Commandments in the context of the time. Judaism is a mono-theistic religion - only one god. At the time these Commandments were obtained, virtually every other surrounding group or civilisation was polytheistic - many gods. So this god told his followers not to do what these other groups were doing.

 

4 hours ago, onetrack said:

I also tend to the belief that science and religion actually complement and reinforce each other - not the opposite. The laws of Physics and Maths and Chemistry, are the laws of that same God

I can agree with the first sentence, and accept your right to believe the second. 

 

4 hours ago, onetrack said:

The bottom line is that Evolution is not possible, nor a sustainable scientific series of events.

How can you say that after having said that the laws of the basic sciences, which were discovered, but not created, by Mankind, but deny something that was discovered, but not created by Mankind.

 

Which shows a greater glory of a god  - a slow, step-by-step improvement over millennia, or a Hey Presto! pulling a rabbit out of a hat? If I was a confirmed believer in a god, I'd say the first is more of a marvel. If I was to believe that my intellect was a gift from a god, I would think that learning about a slow process of evolution was an even greater gift.

[onetrack]

Evolution has never produced any examples of the "in-between" developments that are supposed to have been part of Evolution. In other words, the "missing links".

 

Evolution believers have long sought out the Missing Link between Apes and Man. They won't find it, because there is none. Man is Man, made in the "image of God", Apes are animals of a totally different order.

 

I find it repulsive to be told that my ancestors were Apes, because I know it's not possible for it to be true. The DNA of Homo Sapiens and Apes is completely different. Man was given power over all the animals, and the animals know and recognise that. 

 

The creationists have long given Atheists ammunition in trying to claim the Earth is only 6000 yrs old. This is religious stupidity at its best. The Earth is billions of years old, the rocks tell us that. The Bible is the story of a bloodline - the Adamic Creation.

 

The lineage of Adam and Eve is the part that is only 6000 yrs old. There were older "tribes" outside the Garden of Eden, the Bible tells us that. Those tribes are unrelated to Adam and Eve, and the Bible never says those tribes were created by God.

Those tribes and the extinct animal life of the Dinosaur Age were quite likely created by Satan. We are not told anything about Satans creative ability, because Satan is Anti-God, and God rules that we simply do not need Satans life story in the Bible.

 

This planet Earth is alone in the Universe as a source of human life, and vegetation, oceans and an atmosphere that humans, vegetation and all the animals can survive on nicely. Why is that? Did that happen purely by "accident of evolution"? I think not.

 

This planet is the Planet of the Fight between Good and Evil. The Evil is Satan, a powerful angelic being who challenged the power of God. He was cast out of Heaven because he refused to obey Gods instructions - exactly as Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden of Eden, because they refused to follow Gods instructions, not to "eat the fruit of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil".

 

I believe the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was actually Satan, not an actual fruit-bearing tree. Satan was in the Garden of Eden, because he spoke to Eve and seduced her into "eating the fruit". This wording is obscure on purpose. We have to "seek the Truth".

 

There was no "fruit" as we know it - Satan simply seduced Eve, and she brought forth Cain, his son. Cain was a murderer, like his Father, Satan. And as anyone with animal breeding knows, once a purebred female animal is bred with a non-purebred male animal, the bloodline of the female purebred is ruined forever by genetic impurity. 

 

Something that is probably not well known, is that a similar thing affects the female of Homo Sapiens. If a woman is impregnated by a man, before she has had any children, her children carry traits of that first partner, even if she has children by other men, later.

This is known as telegony in Homo Sapiens. You will find telegony poo-pooed as a superstition in many articles - but I believe it is highly relevant to the Adamic creation story. And scientists are now starting to find scientific evidence of telegony.

The female athlete who was found to have drugs in her system recently, was stunned to find it came about because she had sex with a man who used those drugs. She was cleared of the drugs useage charge.

 

https://www.tmz.com/2020/06/12/olympic-boxer-ginny-fuchs-positive-test-usada-sex/

 

Satan "infected" the Adamic race with the DNA of himself, and as such, that means we are all doomed to eternally die (as Satan is), unless we accept that God is truly God, and the Omnipotent constructor of the Universe and most of what is in it.

However, God is fighting a powerful enemy in Satan, and Satan also has accumulated a veritable army of evil beings to assist him. The Battle between Good and Evil is one that must be played out, because it was started back in the Beginning of the World.

 

Just as a ball is sent rolling and retains energy until it hits something (representing the laws of physics), so must the Battle of Good and Evil continue until the End of this World as we know it.

How that end comes, is told in the Book of Revelation, truly a unique article of future forecasting. We are told God will step in and bring this Battle to an end, because without his intervention, Mankind will totally destroy this Planet, and Satan will win.

 

The part that gets me, is that so many people totally refuse to believe in God, blame him for everything that goes wrong, and refuse to accept Gods offer of Eternal Salvation by simply believing in Him and his Son, Jesus Christ.

 

This offer of Eternal Salvation and entrance to Heaven is totally and utterly free! It doesn't require you to join any Church, or pay any upfront fee, it is FREE! - if you simply believe and say so, with your own tongue, to someone.

I don't know of any other free offer of Eternal Life, that comes with no strings attached. I just happen to have taken up that offer, and I can't see any downsides whatsoever.

 

I find it amazing that nations and scientists spend billions on trying to find "life" as we know it, elsewhere in the Universe. They won't find it, ever, because Earth is unique in the Universe.

Edited September 27, 2020 by onetrack

[Marty_d]

6 hours ago, onetrack said:

I'm quite happy to believe in a God who made this Universe and Planet Earth specifically for Humankind. I believe the theory of Evolution is just that - a theory produced by a man (or men) struggling to grasp the enormity of the Universe, and that one Deity could be largely responsible for it. 

 

However, I also tend to the belief that science and religion actually complement and reinforce each other - not the opposite. The laws of Physics and Maths and Chemistry, are the laws of that same God. But people use science to try and debunk religious views.

 

It is easy enough to debunk religions, but one has to remember that religions are man-made structures, using individual interpretations of the Bible, and other religious writings. There are no instructions in the Bible to form Religious Organisations, that try to dominate peoples lives with rules and regulations they have made up themselves.

 

The bottom line is that Evolution is not possible, nor a sustainable scientific series of events. To try and state with scientific certainty, that Homo Sapiens originated from primordial ooze is fantasy land to me.

 

There are at least 200 life-support systems of incredible complexity in the human body - all of which are needed for the support of human life. The endocrine system, the muscular system, the nervous system - these are just some of the examples.

 

To try and say that Evolution produced Homo Sapiens, and the 200 life-support systems in the correct order, to sustain life (remembering that many of these systems would need to be developed simultaneously), is laughable to me.

 

The equivalent, in gambling terms, would be for me to put 200 numbered coins in my pocket, then reach in and draw out all 200 numbered coins in precisely the right consecutive numbering sequence. The odds are not just in the billions, they are in the centillions.

Ok, I'll bite...

 

Firstly, there's a slight irony in you trying to debunk evolution because "it's not possible", then saying you're quite happy to believe an invisible man made everything specifically for a species that in its current form has been on the planet for about 200,000 years out of approximately 4,000,000,000.  There's been life on this planet for over 3 billion years in one form or another.  Dinosaurs were around for about 179 MILLION years, or about 900 times longer than humanity has been here.  What were they, a really long failed experiment?

 

Secondly, you claim that it's laughable that the 200 (where does that number come from?) life support systems developed in the correct order and that many would have had to develop simultaneously.

This is how evolution works.  Mutations in simple systems in some cases turn out to be beneficial, these ones are more successful so remain for the next generation, over lots and lots of time you end up with complex systems, they mutate etc etc.

As to things having to develop simultaneously, well, they don't.  Take the eye for example.  You might think it's a perfect organ which is too complex to have evolved.  However, the first animal to have a modification that enabled a form of sight (patch of light-sensitive cells) was about 550 million years ago.  Scientists have worked out that if sight improved by just 0.005%  each generation, it would only have taken 364,000 years to develop complex eyes.  Some animals have evolved to actually lose their eyes - cave dwellers which live in total darkness for example, are often totally blind (because no sight is needed in the dark) and also completely white, because no colour is needed if no one can see you.

Also, it seems that you think humanity in its current form is the absolute pinnacle of life.  Really?  I'm a bit annoyed that I can only see in a very small envelope of the available spectrum.  Many species can run faster than me, lots have better senses (not to mention sonar, that'd be handy), some can fly without having to build a plane, which would be excellent.  Then there's the really cool things, like being able to regenerate limbs, or even (like some jellyfish) pretty much live forever.  We have opposable thumbs and big brains, and those two mutations have been extremely beneficial, but we could be a hell of a lot better - and maybe will be in time.

As to the world and everything in it being made specifically for humans - that's like a puddle saying "this hole in the ground was put here in exactly the right shape for me!" - in other words, we evolved to fit our environment instead of the other way around.  Even then, if everything was made to suit us, how do you explain viruses, mosquitos, venomous insects and reptiles, bacteria, cancer, genetic disorders, chronic pain, and everything else that kills, maims, or makes life unbearable for us?

[octave]

1 minute ago, onetrack said:

The DNA of Homo Sapiens and Apes is completely different.

 

Rubbish https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/the-2-difference

[onetrack]

Marty, as I said, there are Satanic creations on Earth, such as viruses, mosquitos, venomous insects and reptiles, bacteria, cancer, genetic disorders, chronic pain, etc.

 

Why they are left there, is not for us to understand, I believe it is simply because this life we are given, is a "test" and we have to endure that "test" to proceed to the next life.

We are not given complete answers by God, we stumble about in the dark, trying to figure out "why", to so many of lifes mysteries.

Edited September 27, 2020 by onetrack

[onetrack]

Sorry, Octave, I simply believe that Evolutionary theory linking Man to Apes in a direct lineage is where the rubbish is. There is no "Missing Link", the half-man, half-ape. You have been conned.

[octave]

1 minute ago, onetrack said:

Sorry, Octave, I simply believe that Evolutionary theory linking Man to Apes in a direct lineage is where the rubbish is. There is no "Missing Link", the half-man, half-ape. You have been conned.

 

The similarity in the genetic code between humans and primates is not merely a matter of opinion,  It is in the gene sequences.  

 

I personaly  I have no problem with beleivers but if you are suggesting that one has to reject modern scientific knowledge in order ti be a beliver then that is not a psossibilty for me and many others,  Established religion has throughout history been slow to accept science.  In earlier times chritianity could not accept that the earth was not the centre of the solar system indeed the centre of the universe.   They defended this position often brutally. 

25 minutes ago, onetrack said:

Something that is probably not well known, is that a similar thing affects the female of Homo Sapiens. If a woman is impregnated by a man, before she has had any children, her children carry traits of that first partner, even if she has children by other men, later.

 

Evidence please?

[Marty_d]

11 minutes ago, onetrack said:

Evolution has never produced any examples of the "in-between" developments that are supposed to have been part of Evolution. In other words, the "missing links".

 

Evolution believers have long sought out the Missing Link between Apes and Man. They won't find it, because there is none. Man is Man, made in the "image of God", Apes are animals of a totally different order.

 

I find it repulsive to be told that my ancestors were Apes, because I know it's not possible for it to be true. The DNA of Homo Sapiens and Apes is completely different. Man was given power over all the animals, and the animals know and recognise that. 

 

The creationists have long given Atheists ammunition in trying to claim the Earth is only 6000 yrs old. This is religious stupidity at its best. The Earth is billions of years old, the rocks tell us that. The Bible is the story of a bloodline - the Adamic Creation.

 

The lineage of Adam and Eve is the part that is only 6000 yrs old. There were older "tribes" outside the Garden of Eden, the Bible tells us that. Those tribes are unrelated to Adam and Eve, and the Bible never says those tribes were created by God.

Those tribes and the extinct animal life of the Dinosaur Age were quite likely created by Satan. We are not told anything about Satans creative ability, because Satan is Anti-God, and God rules that we simply do not need Satans life story in the Bible.

 

This planet Earth is alone in the Universe as a source of human life, and vegetation, oceans and an atmosphere that humans, vegetation and all the animals can survive on nicely. Why is that? Did that happen purely by "accident of evolution"? I think not.

 

This planet is the Planet of the Fight between Good and Evil. The Evil is Satan, a powerful angelic being who challenged the power of God. He was cast out of Heaven because he refused to obey Gods instructions - exactly as Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden of Eden, because they refused to follow Gods instructions, not to "eat the fruit of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil".

 

I believe the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was actually Satan, not an actual fruit-bearing tree. Satan was in the Garden of Eden, because he spoke to Eve and seduced her into "eating the fruit". This wording is obscure on purpose. We have to "seek the Truth".

 

There was no "fruit" as we know it - Satan simply seduced Eve, and she brought forth Cain, his son. Cain was a murderer, like his Father, Satan. And as anyone with animal breeding knows, once a purebred female animal is bred with a non-purebred male animal, the bloodline of the female purebred is ruined forever by genetic impurity. 

 

Something that is probably not well known, is that a similar thing affects the female of Homo Sapiens. If a woman is impregnated by a man, before she has had any children, her children carry traits of that first partner, even if she has children by other men, later.

This is known as telegony in Homo Sapiens. You will find telegony poo-pooed as a superstition in many articles - but I believe it is highly relevant to the Adamic creation story. And scientists are now starting to find scientific evidence of telegony.

The female athlete who was found to have drugs in her system recently, was stunned to find it came about because she had sex with a man who used those drugs. She was cleared of the drugs useage charge.

 

https://www.tmz.com/2020/06/12/olympic-boxer-ginny-fuchs-positive-test-usada-sex/

 

Satan "infected" the Adamic race with the DNA of himself, and as such, that means we are all doomed to eternally die (as Satan is), unless we accept that God is truly God, and the Omnipotent constructor of the Universe and most of what is in it.

However, God is fighting a powerful enemy in Satan, and Satan also has accumulated a veritable army of evil beings to assist him. The Battle between Good and Evil is one that must be played out, because it was started back in the Beginning of the World.

 

Just as a ball is sent rolling and retains energy until it hits something (representing the laws of physics), so must the Battle of Good and Evil continue until the End of this World as we know it.

How that end comes, is told in the Book of Revelation, truly a unique article of future forecasting. We are told God will step in and bring this Battle to an end, because without his intervention, Mankind will totally destroy this Planet, and Satan will win.

 

The part that gets me, is that so many people totally refuse to believe in God, blame him for everything that goes wrong, and refuse to accept Gods offer of Eternal Salvation by simply believing in Him and his Son, Jesus Christ.

 

This offer of Eternal Salvation and entrance to Heaven is totally and utterly free! It doesn't require you to join any Church, or pay any upfront fee, it is FREE! - if you simply believe and say so, with your own tongue, to someone.

I don't know of any other free offer of Eternal Life, that comes with no strings attached. I just happen to have taken up that offer, and I can't see any downsides whatsoever.

 

I find it amazing that nations and scientists spend billions on trying to find "life" as we know it, elsewhere in the Universe. They won't find it, ever, because Earth is unique in the Universe.

WT absolute F????

 

Ok, I can think of one downside to your "free offer of eternal life".  If you believe all that tripe you've written, the downside is that you've given up the ability to think.

 

Just a couple of the more obvious contradictions:  DNA of man and apes being too different?  About 1.2% different.  Not huge.  Talking of DNA, unless you only have African ancestry then you have up to 2% of neanderthal  DNA.  And yes, they were another branch of humanity which didn't survive (although some of their DNA does).

 

So the whole god/satan thing.  Let me get this straight - god made the Adam strain of humanity, but because that's all the bible tells you about, hey, anything that exists but doesn't fit the narrative must have been made by satan??  Now that is lazy thinking at its absolute laziest.

 

And yet shortly after you say "We have to seek the truth".  But what if the facts don't bear out your thesis?  Given what you've said about everything else being made by satan, it appears you just make something up to cover the canyon-like cracks in your theory!

 

You say that Earth is alone in the universe in its ability to support life.  How, exactly, do you know that?  The nearest star to ours is about 4.6 light years away from us.  There are around ten billion galaxies in the observable universe.  If each has an average of 100 billion stars, that means there are in the order of 1 BILLION TRILLION (that's a 1 with 21 zeroes after it) stars in the observable universe.  To say that none of that massive number have a planet which has evolved a form of life is patently ridiculous, because you simply cannot know this.  

 

You then go on to say "The part that gets me, is that so many people totally refuse to believe in God, blame him for everything that goes wrong" - now that's a cracker.  If someone refuses to believe in god, why would they bother blaming him for anything? 

 

Ok.  You've given us your theory (in a nutshell:  invisible man created one strain of humans but not all the others.  But despite your soiled lineage, if you believe in said invisible dude and tell someone else, you'll get eternal life.)

 

I have an alternative theory.  The entire universe is inside a giant egg laid by a pink dodo.  The universe is expanding and cooling and will eventually die a cold death because she didn't get shagged by a blue dodo before she laid us.

 

Now you tell me why your theory is any more believable than mine.

 

[old man emu]

2 hours ago, onetrack said:

Man was given power over all the animals, and the animals know and recognise that. 

Tell that to the bloke being chewed by a shark or crocodile. 

 

It is true that the Great Apes and Humans are not 100% the same in their DNA. Evolution theorises that there was an ancient ancestor from whom the various primate species arose. 

“In a series of forms graduating insensibly from some apelike creature to man as he now exists, it would be impossible to fix on any definite point where the term 'man' ought to be used.”
― Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man

 

If you want to get down to the nitty-gritty of DNA variation, go back to your Mid-19th Century forebears, then track their descendants to find a relative from your own generation, but a different branch of the family. If you compare your DNA with that person's you will find variation - probably only in those genes that govern appearance. "Family likeness" diminishes as you move away from the ancestors.

[pmccarthy]

It is scary to get a partial insight into what religious people believe.