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[pmccarthy]

Having spent much of my adult life on weight- loss campaigns, I can confirm that you lose it first from your shoulders and arms, then legs, then chest and last from that ring of fat around your gut. It is hard to hold motivation for months while you  are losing muscle mass and your waist measurement hasn’t changed. For me, weight loss has been impossible and I have put on more than a half kilo each year for the last forty years. It isn’t for want of trying, including every bullshit diet, Jenny Craig and hypnotism. I don’t disagree with OME about BMI. Perhaps Ozempic is the answer.

[nomadpete]

8 minutes ago, pmccarthy said:

Perhaps Ozempic is the answer.

Read up on it before you try it. It is not for everyone.

 

There really isn't always a magic pill for every problem. In some cases there is more to obesity than eating habits. I eat far more calories than my better half, but if she eats any less there is a risk of malnourishment. In her case Ozempic would be a health risk.

[spacesailor]

onetrack !.

" Australia sent shiploads " .

England sent ' shiploads of war widows ' , to Australia. 

A few came back broken hearted , after being abused .

spacesailor

 

[facthunter]

The "Pinch" test if you do it honestly.  Nev

[facthunter]

There were NO obese people in Changi.  Rapid weight loss reduces Muscle mass..  Nev

[old man emu]

2 hours ago, facthunter said:

The "Pinch" test if you do it honestly.  Nev

For many years since I left the police, I put on weight. A couple of years ago, I was up to about 130 kgs. I've since lost about 20 kgs which is showing as a thinner face, arms and legs. However, although I feel that I have lost abdominal fat, being so big around the gut before means that the skin bulges over my belt like a deflated inner tube. So a pinch test would not be too accurate in my case.

[ClintonB]

On 03/12/2024 at 2:33 PM, old man emu said:

Clothing gripe:

 

I need to replace some well-worn T-shirts, so I had a look at what Big W had. Why do 'going-out' T-shirts have to have inane motifs or images of the current crop of American movie mayhem makers? The motifs are most often Wun Hung Lo's interpretation of American college football or basketball names and numbers, or are made to look like merch obtained at some obscure imaginary event.

 

I don't mind wearing a T-shirt with the logo of a team or product I support, if it is worn at the appropriate time, but to wear one that is wholly a fiction irks me greatly. My limit is the small alligator or polo player logo on the clothing of those respective companies. It is hard to find a T-shirt in a plain colour, or even patterned that is free of this motif nonsense. I suppose I should simply join the wearers of Hi-Vis and blend into the crowd.

I had some aeroplane related ones made online, the shirts have outlasted all of my big w, kmart ones in regards to staying the same size and not tearing.  Redbubble was company name.

not expensive for quality, I have "vintage 182" and "only six pack i need" with instruments on front-helps find other pilots in a crowd too when noticed.

Heaps to pick from and your own designs too.

hope this helps.

 

 

[ClintonB]

On 05/12/2024 at 6:58 AM, pmccarthy said:

Having spent much of my adult life on weight- loss campaigns, I can confirm that you lose it first from your shoulders and arms, then legs, then chest and last from that ring of fat around your gut. It is hard to hold motivation for months while you  are losing muscle mass and your waist measurement hasn’t changed. For me, weight loss has been impossible and I have put on more than a half kilo each year for the last forty years. It isn’t for want of trying, including every bullshit diet, Jenny Craig and hypnotism. I don’t disagree with OME about BMI. Perhaps Ozempic is the answer.

My Wife has been on another injection (wegovy I think) doctor wanted her on a dose that works slowly for loss. My doctor had told me after i gain more than i lose each time on different plans, i.e Man Challenge, lite and easy, Manshakes was because your body goes into Starvation mode and tries to save you from wasting away, due to the rapid weight lost it experiences. I have been down to 97kg and up to 129 at worst. It is really hard to stick to the courses when you go way on family trips, events and get togethers. I can do it on my own, but family is always "i dont feel like cooking or i want this tonight" and you feel obligated to partake.

I wish there was a boot camp for us "old guys" with Aeroplanes to play with or ogle, PT sessions a couple of times a day with a real tuff Staff Sargent, then maybe good old fashioned war films in the evenings, or lectures on interesting stuff like machines and cars and bikes. 6 months should do it.

Maybe too much wishful thinking.

[old man emu]

I don't hold with those "diets", mainly because they seem to require you to buy in all sorts of ingredients you've never had before to make dishes you don't know if you will really like.

 

My guide to weight loss is quite simple. Reduce the serving size of everything, and possibly serve your meal on a bread & butter plate or entree plate.  Find out what the serving size is for the your basic meat and two veg. Mashed potato - 100 gm; veggies 1/2 cup else 100 gm, and meat about 250 gm. Try to limit your intake of foods containing flour, and, of course, try to avoid sugar as much as possible. Have treats in small servings. Probably most of your weight gain was due to pigging out on treats. Don't eat a complete take-away serving. Save some for Ron.

 

You also need a large helping of patience. After the initial quick weight loss, which is mostly water, you are doing good if you average one kilogram loss per week. Don't forget that you will reach plateaux when you won't lose weight for a week or two. Expect that. Just think. If you were able to lose one kilogram per week over six months, you'd lose close on 30 kgs.

 

I wouldn't suddenly start heavy exercise. For a start, your knees and pelvis won't handle it. Try walking 10 minutes out/ten minutes back for a month, then 15/15 for a month. It's the time taken in moving that's important, not the distance covered or the steps taken.

[facthunter]

One KG/Week is too much.  You will lose Muscle mass and go into Ketosis.    Nev

[spacesailor]

Get an ' inversion machine. ' to make your hight  match your weight !. LoL

spacesailor

 

[old man emu]

3 hours ago, facthunter said:

One KG/Week is too much.  You will lose Muscle mass and go into Ketosis.    Nev

How about we call it an average loss of a kg per week over six months? One should set a target and hope for a bullseye, but accept a near miss as being a success.

 

I agree that too much weight loss will result in ketosis, but any metabolism of fats will produce ketones. Perhaps it is the exercise like walking or swimming that prevents the loss of muscle mass.

[ClintonB]

Forgive me for ignorance, is what is the definition of ketosis.

 

[old man emu]

38 minutes ago, ClintonB said:

what is the definition of ketosis.

Normally our bodies use carbohydrates for energy. You know all about the levels of glucose in your blood. Glucose is the carbohydrate we use. If we consume too much carbohydrate, our liver converts the excess to fat, which we store in various paces around the body. When we go on a diet, we cut back on our carbohydrate consumption. Our supply of glucose drops, so the body starts breaking down fat to make glucose. A product of that breakdown are chemicals called ketones. They are classified amongst the fats. 

 

The process of formation of ketones is called ketosis. Ketones are volatile substances and if the concentration in the blood gets a bit high, they can escape from the blood in the lungs and we breathe them out. This give the breath a distinctive smell - not the small of usual bad breath, or from the flavours in alcoholic drinks or onions or garlic.

[facthunter]

It's when you use  Muscle Mass for fuel the problem starts.. It doesn't matter how slow the fat goes. You need a permanent change of lifestyle or it just goes back on again. Exercise is essential to keep muscles and ligaments in good condition, but you can experience strains and worn out joints. Cut out Crap highly Processed  food, Transfats  and sugary drinks. just drink filtered water and don't add SALT to everything.   Nev

[spacesailor]

I have read ( a few ) years ago !. 

That " liposuction " destroys the fat ' holding cells ' ,

And fat will not be stored in the place , that the Injection 

Site have marked . ( black &  blue bruising ) .

I haven't tried it myself .

spacesailor

[old man emu]

5 hours ago, facthunter said:

It's when you use  Muscle Mass for fuel the problem starts

That would happen if you did not eat enough - you were calorie deficient. For most of us, our excess weight is due to excess intake, so if you reduce the size of your portions, the weight will come off. Of course, you can hasten the loss if, in reducing portion sizes you abandon the nasties as facthunter has mentioned.

[spacesailor]

how can anyone reduce their intake .

were ever you go you're surrounded by food ! .

The odours & visual displays,  when just walking in some suburbs . Make your mouth water . and crave food .

spacesailor

PS  :  just visited " Bunnings " . The ' sausage sizzle ' smelt delicious. 

But I didn't give in to the false hunger pangs LoL

when home & pigged out .

 

[facthunter]

Will Power, motivation (You will die) and determination..  Nev

[nomadpete]

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

motivation (You will die)

Not me.

I plan to live forever.

So far, so good.

[spacesailor]

I died ! .

But a lifetime ago . Before King Charles 11 , grandfather past away .

That's a Lllong time ago .

spacesailor

[facthunter]

You could go down in Hystery. Nev

[Marty_d]

He keeps mentioning Charles the eleventh. Aren't we only up to 2?

[spacesailor]

Roman numerals 

Not Greek .

spacesailor

[old man emu]

6 minutes ago, spacesailor said:

Roman numerals Not Greek .spacesailor

Arabic, actually. In the 9th century, during the intellectual flourishing of the Islamic Golden Age, zero became fully integrated into mathematics. This critical development was spearheaded by the Persian scholar Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī, celebrated as the father of algebra. In the House of Wisdom in Baghdad, Al-Kwharizmi developed an Arabic numeric system with the number zero, called in Arabic ‘sift’.