GRIPES

[Jerry_Atrick]

As someone who has never married (women are smarter than I thought, apparently), I can't say I have missed it or it has made one bit of difference, especially when children have come. Thankfully, Aussie family law is far more progressive than the UK.. here, we are nothing more than cohabiting people that have kids together. No defacto status even.

[Old Koreelah]

3 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

As someone who has never married (women are smarter than I thought, apparently), I can't say I have missed it or it has made one bit of difference, especially when children have come. Thankfully, Aussie family law is far more progressive than the UK…

My large family is pretty representative of Australian marriage status.

Married or de facto had no apparent impact on family happiness or kids’ lives.

 

 

[spacesailor]

J A 

And no maintenance to pay for those misbegotten children. 

I have a few grandsons , who are ' hooked ' for life.  Paying child support for a kid who may, Or may Not be theirs. 

No visitation rights. Just a government lawyer telling him " pay up or go to jail " .

Now he's doing it again ! . Another girlfriend.  Will they never learn. 

spacesailor

[Jerry_Atrick]

6 hours ago, spacesailor said:

And no maintenance to pay for those misbegotten children. 

Not quite. The law here is that if a couple is not married, but they have children and they then split up, the father has no right to the children at all (seeing them, etc). Even if the mother was to die or be unfit as a parent, they child/ren would be dolled out to family of the mother, before the father. And I am not 100% sure, but ISTR that it would be up to child services to determine if a foster carer or father would then get custody of the children in the event the mother and none of her family was able to or wated to look after the children.

 

Yet, the father is liable to the same maintenance and obligations as a married father; the latter of which has very good access to their children protected in law. It is common for parents to alter custody week on/week off, or something like three days on/4 days off and rotate it. Obviosuly it is difficult if the parents live a long distance from each other and the child.ren go to school...

 

One "silver" lining, I suppose, is that in a partnership like mine, where I have been the only breadwinner for years and she has a part time job at the moment - there is no adjusting property settlement. Basically, assets are dividable by who can proved to own those assets and in what percentage. So, in between us selling our last house and buying this one, partner had quite a lot of money sitting in her bank account. I told her that if she decided to leave me, as the court could only see her ownership at the time, I had no right to it at all.. There is no adjustment to asset settlements based on contributions, etc.

 

She thought about it for a minute, but I let her know she would be up for gift tax, so she decided to stay a bit longer.

[nomadpete]

Not quite sure which bit is your gripe?

[Jerry_Atrick]

Mine wasn't a grip - just clarifying that just because one has not been married does not allow them to avoid their obligations to their children (despite not having legal access).

 

 

[spacesailor]

Just DON'T admit Any wrong fastening. 

" Not Me, it was the other fellow ".

And I have four daughters. 

spacesailor

[spacesailor]

Who Was the Wanker , who gave $ 3000 to make school girls pregnant,  

Half for the father who denied anything .

He should have been changed with " procuring minor's for sex " .

spacesailor

Edited June 8, 2023 by spacesailor

[facthunter]

You're not referring to Mrs Palmer And her daughters, RU ?  Nev

Edited June 9, 2023 by facthunter

[Jerry_Atrick]

I thought it was $5,000 and around 2005/2006, which would have made it John Howard.

 

[spacesailor]

He should have been 'charged' with " procuring  minors for sex " .

A I did it again changed sex to ' six ' .

spacesailor

[spacesailor]

If you paid a minor to have sex , I think you will have committed an offence .

Like those , who had sex with young people in Bali & other Asian holiday destinations.  And now have committed a criminal offence! , By Australian law .

spacesailor

[willedoo]

Here's my gripe for the day - those pesky cyclists. This video is typical of their complete disregard for other road users.

 

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1666979132075565057

[nomadpete]

2 hours ago, willedoo said:

Here's my gripe for the day - those pesky cyclists. This video is typical of their complete disregard for other road users.

 

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1666979132075565057

Hey at least the cyclist was smart enough to go behind the illegally parked truck!

 

PS it looks like neither the Russians nor the Ukrainians are brave enough to sanction the crazy cyclists.

 

 

Edited June 10, 2023 by nomadpete

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[Bruce Tuncks]

I reckon that sex dolls are much cheaper than the girl ones. Even 20,000 dollars is peanuts in comparison to supporting a woman plus her offspring. And there are versions with built-in heaters so you get your bed warmed in winter. ( I'm speaking from adverts here, the wife wouldn't let me have one I know. What about her old age? Do you poms have to support her then too? I have to say that I was horrified at how the wife on that doctor in the seaside village pommy show ( Doc Martin I think )  could act irresponsibly with "her" kid and with the support of the government.

On another tack, I always thought that if you could prove the kids were not yours, then you would be off the hook. Is the true father getting off scot free because of this?

It is the family court system, plus the lack of expenditure on men's health, which makes you realize that there is discrimination at work here. I once read that the female child is at much more risk from the mum's new boyfriend than the biological father, but custody seems to always be awarded to the women.

[octave]

Modern men don't necessarily financially support there partners. My wife and I have either both worked full-time or part time or one of us has taken time off for childcare. I stayed home with my son for a a couple of years while my wife worked full-time.

Most of our friends who are couples share financial responsibilities. Perhaps I move in less old fashioned circles.

[Old Koreelah]

Crickey, it’s about more than money!

There are plenty of happy, secure blended families where trust and respect have outclassed genetics.

[facthunter]

People can take the other for granted easily and not put in any effort. It's a big ask for a relationship to last for  times like 1/2 a century  IF you're working as a team you have a chance. Like landing planes . The more effort you put in the better your landings are..   Nev

[Bruce Tuncks]

My gripe is not against happy families, it is against courts which are often biased against the blokes. A bloke I knew well had his wife leave him and take the kids. He paid her for half their house at the time. She recently threatened to sue for another lot of money, and he is still paying ( after 20 years) for a kid who has become a professional student. In addition, he is paying, for the second time, for his house. Yes, he did trust her too much the first time around.

A Daughter-in-law ( defacto) was asked by her auntie" If you were to leave him now, what would you get?

This made me wonder how many times you need to sleep with a guy to get half his property.

 I do know a great catch of a guy who in my opinion has missed out in life from being too cautious and having too much money. He has never been married .

 

[octave]

I don't really understand griping about supporting your own children.  When my son was young there was nothing I would not have done to help him. This pretty much still applies although he is more wealthy and capable than us now 

 

In these modern times if you are worried about your wife or children taking your money you can have a prenuptial agreement.  I have friends who are in a long term relationship and also maintain seperate economies.

Had my wife and I seperated when my son was young I would have willingly supported him whether or not I had equal access.

 

 

[Bruce Tuncks]

I'm one of your lot Octave. One day my son rang and said how he was leaving Alice Springs and " Could I buy him a farm?". Of course I said "of course".

He sure has more money than me these days and that is fine by me. I worry about the wife though. Since we sold our old house in Adelaide, she has too much money to spend... oh well, say I.

[facthunter]

Women have always used their skills to get security. I would suggest it's in their DNA. Family Courts don't work well. There should be NO LAWYERS allowed. Often the bloke has failed to provide the funds to keep her in the manner she wishes to be accustomed to.  Nev

[spacesailor]

It's the fact : that a woman with child, Can & Will get the cash from man-1 .

Then live with man-2 .

Then when with child ' it's man-3 ' . ( for More maintanance ).

SO

Three kids & three incomes, 

POOR men ' literally ' .

spacesailor

 

 

[Marty_d]

7 hours ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

 he is still paying ( after 20 years) for a kid who has become a professional student. 

 

Must be a private agreement, to my knowledge maintenance only goes til the child turns 18.