Another reason why I HATE THE STINKING BBC. . . .

[Phil Perry]

I heard via the Dark Net today ( Not the BBC of course ) that some bloke shouting summat about allan's snackbar attacked a copper at Paddington Railway Station, but I have not heard any more about it, . . .probably wouldn't have known if some bloke hadn't filmed the event on his phone. . .what did that Nice Mayor Mr Khan say,. . .'All part and parcel of living in a big city'. . . .?

 

Oh well,. . .from a high office building Jerry,. . .at least you can look down your nose at the goings on. . . .

 

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

On the way to Paddington - except tube suspended at Edgeware rd - wonder if its related?

 

 

[Phil Perry]

On the way to Paddington - except tube suspended at Edgeware rd - wonder if its related?

I can't realyy answer that with any certainty Jerry,, I watched that phone video Hours ago,. . .between jobs when I came back for lunch. . the Cop didn't get injusred as far as I could make out, and the perp was on the ground handcuffed. . . I'll see if I can find the vid and post it for you, in case it isn't on the MSM.

 

Drop me a mail sometime - <airside4me@gmail.com> and I can then send you stuff which I wouldn't post on here.. . .( ! ) I'm still working on my first Ban. . .

 

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

Will do..

 

Don't think it's related - if it's not the wrong leaves on the track it us either a train or track succumbing to the heat...

 

Is your first ban going to be one of French persuasion (think Arabic ladies wear)?

 

 

[Phil Perry]

A rather interesting event this morning, where a White Englicch ( Welsh ? ) bloke ran into some Muslims who were attending to another Muslim bloke who had suffered a heart attack.. . .The Meda have tied themselves in knots about this one, the place it happened was all over the shop, none of the reports tallied with each other, and I am trying to find out if this chap was a 'White, Far right fascist terrorst'. . or someone who took a wr ong turning and ran into some people at 20 MPH, killing no one, the other bloke was already dead from the heart attack. . .The MSM and Theresa May have already sentenced and hanged the chap. . .I hope this isn't going to be a situation where they have gon TOO FAR with the narrative, and now have to hang him out to dry to save face. . . .most worrying. . . .He hired a van in Wales,. . .then the incident took place in London ? ? mmm. . .I sure would like some more intel on this one. . . .

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Will do..

Don't think it's related - if it's not the wrong leaves on the track it us either a train or track succumbing to the heat...

 

Is your first ban going to be one of French persuasion (think Arabic ladies wear)?

I think the term of friendy, joshing, colloquial insult you are thinking of of is 'BERK' . . . .and NOT 'BURKH' . . .

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Most amusing thing I heard this morning on the MSM. . . in relation to the Fire at Kensington was, from a Looney Leftie commentator, who managed to blame 'NeoLiberals'. . .and Margaret 'Fatcher' in the same sentence. . . . .

 

This was on the BBC flagship show 'Daily Politics' . . . .

 

Why am I not surprised. . .

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Found this link Jerry. . .works for me. . .

 

@ElementMiller

 

 

[Phil Perry]

I found this one too. . .

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xYCBj0E8ds

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Good old Jonathan Pie. . .he gives a good overview of Tory MPs and the government on general but forgot to mention that a labour MP, was on the Kensington Social Housing committee and HE voted against doing anything re resident's stated worries about fire safety. . .the MSM have dropped this interesting fact down the memory hole. . . .well they would,. . ALL of them being part of the Media / propaganda arm of the Labour party. . .

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Saw this on a Comical Aussie site. . . .

 

 

[Marty_d]

A rather interesting event this morning, where a White Englicch ( Welsh ? ) bloke ran into some Muslims who were attending to another Muslim bloke who had suffered a heart attack.. . .The Meda have tied themselves in knots about this one, the place it happened was all over the shop, none of the reports tallied with each other, and I am trying to find out if this chap was a 'White, Far right fascist terrorst'. . or someone who took a wr ong turning and ran into some people at 20 MPH, killing no one, the other bloke was already dead from the heart attack. . .The MSM and Theresa May have already sentenced and hanged the chap. . .I hope this isn't going to be a situation where they have gon TOO FAR with the narrative, and now have to hang him out to dry to save face. . . .most worrying. . . .He hired a van in Wales,. . .then the incident took place in London ? ? mmm. . .I sure would like some more intel on this one. . . .

Try saying the word Phil... he is a TERRORIST... they're not all mossies you know... a 47 year old lilly white Welshman can be a hateful murderous b*stard too, without changing his name to Mohammed Al-Pontypandy...

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Eh oop lad calm thesen doon. . . . We've had loads of lilywhite terrorists in this land over the past fifty years, and they were all Nowt to do wi' Islam.

 

One even shot his Member of Parliament dead only a year ago and was pronounced a 'Far Right Fascist' This was total Meeja bollox of course as he was a a man with long term mental health issues who had been told that his place at a local Government run 'Garden Centre' where mental patients were sent for remedial treatment, and this was being closed down by the Local Council. Secondly, his 3 bedroomed house was required for a larger family, which is fair enpough, due to the shortage of social housing in the area and the large amount of immigrants with large faimilies who needed somewhere to live. . .He had been to see his MP ( Jo Cox ) twice before and had been 'Fobbed off'. . ( his words ) and offered no further remedial / practical Mental health treatment nor any other replacement smaller social housing in the area. ( Batley and Spen ) His last visit to see his MP was the day he shot her with an ancient reactivated single shot gun, and a large knife.

 

The media reports were full of a story that he had shouted 'Britain First' This was later retracted by the guy who reported this since at the time he was in his house over a half mile away from the MPs office. BUT IT STUCK! So he was a Far Right Fascist. The media crowed when they found a DVD at his house, the title of which was 'The Nazis - A lesson from History'

 

This was their proof that he was a fascist. The ONLY proof they needed for their narrative., incidentally, the DVD was a BBC production. . .you just couldn't make this crap up. . .Sorry for the digressment Marty. . .

 

Another bunch of Lilywhite terrorists nearly deprived me and the rest of my family when they nearly took my 2 younger Brothers Graham and Ray, when they left a bomb under the stairs in the Birmingham pub bombing. . .they dodged that by less than 2 hours. . .but those guys were lilywhite Irishmen, fighting a battle against the filthy British. . .by blowing up their kids and other citizens. . . .Of course, Since Tony Bliar pardonned them all for the Peace agreement, they are our mates and allies now so we better not bring all that nasty stuff up eh ?

 

I've been out on site from uber early this morning and am just catching up with the story. It seems to me that there is some confusion in the ranks, with Sky, Al Jabeeba and other MSM outlets backpedalling on the 'Terrorist' angle which was so prevalent last night. The Lilywhite Welsh bloke has not yet been charged. They can legally hold him for 24 hours on a suspected 'Criminal' act, but if they wish to sdo so, they can use the anti - terror legislation and hold him for a lot longer. At the moment he is being called a 'Suspect'. . .as is normal, but If (and, looking at the media and government hue and cry, this is a big if I know. . ) he isn't a terrorist, then he isn't likely to get anything like a fair trial in the UK, so this is why the Police have more than likely asked the media to ramp down the rhetoric a little.

 

There don't apear to be many witnesses, well, not any who have posted on Soshul meeja anyhow. . .as is usually the case. One local man is reported to have slammed the police for taking an Hour to arrive. . .Again, unconfirmed.

 

There isn't much info being released about the Welsh Terrorist at the moment, we know he lived in Cardiff, but oddly, he rented the van some way off in another town. If he wanted to create a ruckus he could easily have done so outsid many mosques in Wales, rather than driving to London, But perhaps it was the London Terror attacks which radicalised him ?. . . who knows. Insufficient coherent data.

 

The Groundswell of those who really WANT this bloke to be a WHITE Terrorist is palpable. . .electric even. . . .

 

I cannot acsertain if the elderly Muslim man who had collapsed in the road some time before the Terrorist Incident was dead at the time,. .. nor whether he was struck by the vehicle. . as were a few of those gathered around him in the middle of the dead end street.

 

Will have to trust the Mainstream Media for any further developments. The only concrete bit of info is that the Son, . .. of the person who owns the Van rental company in Wales, has been arrested for a 'Hate Crime' as he sent a twitter message saying that the driver should have hired a tank and made sure of it. What a nice bloke ! So maybe the Welsh local lilywhites think he's a terrorist too. . . If he turns out to be then he should be prosecuted to the maximum of the Law. Murder is Murder, and attempted murder iss attempted murder. It matters not who the intended victim is / are / was / were.

 

It is interesting that the Imam at the Finsbury Park Mosque intervened as an enraged crowd were in the process of beating the driver up. . . see post below.

 

Finsbury Park imam who protected terror suspect from angry public: ‘All life is sacred’ http://trib.al/NglL8qh

 

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Breaking Info. . . Police given extra time to question Darren Osborne ( The Whte Terrorist from Wales )

 

Jeeze. . .how many questions did thay ask him ? ?

 

1) What were you doing with that van in London

 

2) if you were deilivering something, what was it - and where were you delivering it.

 

3) why did you take a turn around a blind corner into a dead end street, don't you possess a Satnav ?

 

Can't think of anything else. . .OH wait,. .

 

4) .Have you ever read anything by Nigel Farage or Tommy Robinson ?

 

( Or that twot Phil Perry on 'Whassup Australia' ? ? )

 

My Girly mate Teg, who lives in Caerrdyyd also,. . .says that the area he comes from is a complete $hithole. . .not because of Muslim and other immigrants, just that it always HAS been. . . . . He has a family of Muslims living next door to his house and they have said that he has always been nice and polite . . .

 

Perhaps this is not relevant. . .I mean, I was born in a sad $hithole area of West Bromwich called Friar Park,. . .but I mean. . .I turned out a well balanced guy . . . didn't I ?. . . . . ?

 

They were great, intelligent people down in FP, when I was a lad,. . . the neighbours (Catholics ) had fourteen healthy children, and the Father used to lift his pig up onto the back garden fence so that it could watch the steam trains go by . . .

 

 

[Phil Perry]

This is a quote from a flying friend ( Working in London ) who is a senior partner at chambers specialising in Criminal Law.

 

"The forensic crash investigator will be reduced to an advisory role and kept well away I imagine. This is, regrettably what happens where politics and justice are concerned in specific matters, particularly those where there is deep media interest where, the exact Opposite should apply. A forensic crash investigator could ascertain from the site far more useful technical information than could be gleaned sensibly from the reliance upon non-qualified witness statements, however genuine these may appear to be.

 

 

 

As a comparison Phil, would you rather base your case upon the testimonies of non-qualified witnesses in the event of a serious air accident ? Or would jurisprudence be better served by calling in forensic accident investigators; who would collate all of the witness statements and apply them to the case with their professional knowledge and physical evidence inserted into the equation ?

 

 

 

I think the extended detention of the suspect may be due to awaiting the Post Mortem report on the deceased man who is alleged to have suffered heart failure several minutes prior to the event.

 

 

 

I personally suspect that he could quite probably have been deceased prior to the RTA; and in this case, that would rule out some major offences with which the suspect mgiht be charged.

 

 

 

I think that the terrorism allegation is, at the present time, clutching at straws, they are struggling to make out an offence if what I read is correct. They have the major hurdle of Osbourne's 'Intent' to overcome. That is a vital cornerstone within British Criminal Law.

 

 

 

Given the layout of the intersection, poor lightning, low speed impact, people crouched in the road (over a collapsed person) this strikes me as having the hallmarks of a tragic accident. Time will tell."

 

 

[pmccarthy]

The concept of radicalisation is mostly misplaced. The few cases we have had in Oz have been nutters pure and simple. They know they want to commit mayhem and feel persecuted, so they look for a justification in an existing belief system. If IS etc didn't exist they would join the cult of the Were Rabbit and commit the same evil crimes.

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Post mortem report on the 51 year old muslim man who had collapsed some time prior to being struck by Osborne's vehicle says that his death was caused by 'Multiple Injuries' That means the bloke can be charged with causing death by dangerous driving, as the investigation has not turned up any evidence at all of association with far right fascist / terrorist connections or other possible sources of radicalisation.

 

He had not yet been charged with anything ( as at last night ), but if it turns out that he DID do it with malice aforethought which now seems increasingly likely; then they always have the Mental health option to section him and put him away.

 

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

Apparently, Terrorism related Murder: Finsbury Park attack suspect Darren Osborne charged

 

Personally, I wished they just charged him with plain old murder and, on the assumptions his actions did cause the death of victim, it becomes a seminal case of when a car (or any other vehicle) is used as a weapon rather than purely a driving/transport implement, it is considered as such and any lesser charges of death that the accused would normally be restricted to do not apply. If he had the mens rea (guilty mind) and the actus reus (guilty act) and it was reasonably foreseeable he was going to kill someone, the fact it was an indiscriminate killing should be of no bearing to the charge in this case.

 

Death by Dangerous Driving is an offence under the RTA (Road Traffic Act, 1988) and it based on a society that doesn't use cars or other vehicles as weapons. The use of cars as a weapon is a recent development.

 

The Lorry (Truck in Antipodean) driver who got 10 years for killing the family while playing with his Mobile phone did not intend to kill or injure anyone - he intended to listen to music while he was driving. His actions were of gross stupidity, especially given the education campaigns and ramping up the fines and custodial sentences allowed for being caught so much as looking at your mobile phone while driving. That is why he got the maximum term but there was probably no attempt to try him for manslaughter (which Death by Dangerous Driving is a form of) or murder. But to say someone takes a car and intends to kill, and it is foreseeable as highly likely to kill and in fact achieves a killing (or Grevious Bodily Harm - which from memory is defined as rupturing a blood vessel or includes it at least - and carries a maximum rather than mandatory life sentence) should be tried under the RTA for an offence which is effectively covering accidental, negligent or even reckless killing is repugnant to the law and a civil society.

 

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

<snip>He had not yet been charged with anything ( as at last night ), but if it turns out that he DID do it with malice aforethought which now seems increasingly likely; then they always have the Mental health option to section him and put him away.

I didn't catch the thought of him being sectioned, which in some case may be better (though not usually in the case of Murder). It has been 17 years since I studied English Criminal law, but I recall the definition of legal insanity is a lot narrower the psychiatric insanity - temporary or otherwise. What has been reported is that he was separated from his wife and living at the bottom of her garden or in a wood nearby (in a tent). So, obviously, he was under a great deal of stress (and now more-so one would think - although if it were some form of insanity of a temporary basis, he may be under less stress having got it out of his system).

 

As usual, things are often more complicated than they seem../

 

 

[Phil Perry]

They are indeed. . . some wag in London has suggested that he was ( wait for it ) 'Self Radicalised', having seen a BBC Docu-Drama called 'Three Girls'. . .which was about the sexual abuse and rape of under age girls perpetrated by Pakistani Muslims in Rochdale.

 

Bear in mind that the word 'MUSLIM' was not mentioned once, anywhere in that production.

 

At least we now are reasonably sure that Darren Osbourne was a bit of a 'nutjob'. Not that anyone who commits, or attempts to commit mass murder could sensibly be classed as anything else. . .unless religiously brainwashed from an early age, but we won't go there in this instance as it doesn't apparently apply. .

 

The Authorities have charged Mr Osbourne, and he will appear in court shortly. . . .YOU know how this process works better tha I do Jerry, will it be before a lay Magistrate I wonder ?. . anyway, this stuff is really irrelevant now.

 

The WORST thing I've got to do is apologise to Marty_D who called this as a 'White Terrorist' incident from the get go . . .but I wasn't so sure, being an anti-muslim invasionist, Diamond hard right Fascist, who just wanted to know the facts before I made a definitive decision. . .

 

( S'allright Folks . . .Marty and me have been mates for years and we just Joshin' ya )

 

 

[Phil Perry]

I was listening to BBC london earlier (mistake). jabbering about how the people in the tower fire should not worry about immigration coming after them. BBC full of sympathy for people who came here illegally, lied and then obtained housing over the heads of those with legitimate needs and legal rights to live in the UK, some of whom had been on the local housing list for over FIVE YEARS. . . ..

 

Surely all tenants are vetted by the Council housing Authority ? and those who have no command of the English Language are finger printed and checked regularly . . . .?

 

Don't talk daft. . . .This is bloody mass Fraud . . .!

 

No,. . . . apparently what happens is, you come to the UK,. . . claim asylum, get a council flat, your rent is paid by the local councul, as is your Council Tax, your water rates, your electricity and Gas bill. . .then,.YOU .Sub let it for £2k per month, and then go home to the place you left because you were in so much 'danger' and live like a millionaire on £2k a month, whilst the UK taxpayer picks up the tab.. . .The Grenfell tower was just such a building but only one of thousands. . . .

 

Where did I go wrong ?. . .If I'd known anything about this at the time, when I left Australia, I'd have borrowed an inflatable and entered the UK Illegally, and then been gifted with free housing, , ,free bennies ( Benefits,. . .free money in other words ) abd I would't have had to Work, nor pay all that Nasty tax I paid for thirty fiive years cos the daft pommies would have done that for me. . . .

 

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

The lack of conscientiousness within the civil service is rife - there is no accountability and since they have contracted out most of their services anyway, there is nothing to hold profiteering companies to account, either. Where did it go wrong? Hard to say. But it is not just in the immigration area where it is wrong. When I lived in Richmond, we had to send our kids to a school quite a distance away because people would rent a house during the induction period nominate their kids for the local school and then promptly move out. There was no "move with your residential area". In one application we were leaked, the applicants "stupidly" put on their application they were only going to be living in the property for 3 months while they were renovating their house over 5 miles away. Yet, the council welcomed them with open arms..

 

I hear here in Taunton, some council civil servant took out a lease somewhere on the outskirts of Taunton for £1.5m/year - it has been for lease for some time (maybe 2 years or so) and never been occupied and never will be. The lease is a full maintaining lease (around £90k/year) and has no break clause until 2026! And there is no intention to occupy it at least in the near term. Yet, we have slashes in other services so a landlord can reap the rewards of a white elephant.

 

There are many people who rort the system without being immigrants - civil servants with the security of tenure and no accountability as well as the seniors of the same

 

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

They are indeed. . . some wag in London has suggested that he was ( wait for it ) 'Self Radicalised', having seen a BBC Docu-Drama called 'Three Girls'. . .which was about the sexual abuse and rape of under age girls perpetrated by Pakistani Muslims in Rochdale.

Bear in mind that the word 'MUSLIM' was not mentioned once, anywhere in that production.

 

<snip>

 

( S'allright Folks . . .Marty and me have been mates for years and we just Joshin' ya )

I am not sure what them being Muslim has to do with the callous and heinous acts committed in Rochdale. I am not sure Quran encourages such behavior and I don't recall religion being brought up in many child pedophile rings, where they commit often atrocious acts on a systematic and frequent basis - often they are multi-cultural/denominational.

 

Of course, there is the systematic abuse of children by celebs, catholics, officials empowered to protect them, etc... That is not to say that either of these sections of society are particularly bad (although I will admit - covering it up is almost as bad as doing it in the first place). Religion has nothing to do with it.. there are nutters everywhere...

 

 

[Phil Perry]

The 'three girls' BBC prog didn't mention the word Muslim.

 

What I was getting at Jerry is that it has been 'suggested' due to the lack of any other evidence, that Mr. Osbourne 'Could' have been incensed after watching this programme. Clutching at straws ?. . .definitely. IF, or Until he makes some sort of statement in court, I guess we will not know.

 

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

Erm... I was attempting to debunk the potential defence (and probably should have been more explicit about that). Quite correct - clutching at straws - and even if he did self-radicalise, it, as far as I am aware, is no defence to the charge of murder nor does it quality for the legal definition of insanity - temporarily or otherwise.

 

Reminds me of the Tony Martin case (very sad case of farmer who was tormented by local yoofs, often being burgled and police did nuffink) where he finally had had enough and shot at least one of them in the back and killed him/them as they were escaping. I was studying crim law at the time and it became a topical case. His defence decided to opt for a not guiltf plea on the basis of self-defence and provocation as well as massive (rightly) public support. My (and a few others) view was it would be better to plea murder by diminished responsibility, which allows the judge to hand down a lesser than life sentence. The jury found him guilty and I recall (though could be wrong), it either went to the court of appeal where they upheld the decision, or leave to appeal was not granted on the basis there wasn't a point of law or fact that was in dispute. As I said to others in the class, 12 people good and true unanimously found him guilty of murder - not an elitist judiciary and not the press. He was, by all accounts, guilty of murder, but it was by diminished responsibility (i.e. a wider application of temporary insanity). The circumstances were obviously very mitigating... As he didn't plea murder by diminished responsibility, the judge could not alter the charge and therefore, on being found guilty of murder, was sentenced to life imprisonment, with any tariff (commutation of the sentence) to be set by the Home Secretary upon petition.

 

Unusually, and I am not sure under what legal pretext as the verdict was considered sound, he was able to be retried where he pleaded murder by diminished responsibility and sentenced to a relatively short period of time (5 years rings a bell, but I am not sure). I felt for him as both the police and his legal team let him down big time - and hte police never seem to be held to account for their failing of basic policing over here - just as in the case where a poor single mum of a mentally disabled girl was so tormented by local yoofs when the police knew and did nothing about it, she blew herself and her daughter up in a lay-by - though nothing apart from a paltry apology seems to be done (see other rant about civil servants lack of accountability).

 

By god, Phil, you and the few glasses of Penfolds Koonunga Hill (only buy Aussie stuff) has got me going... Ready to solve the world's ills... (edit: and I mean this in a positive way)