Cyber Warfare

[Marty_d]

Is any of this based on fact, or is it just speculation?

 

 

[gareth lacey]

Go into many areas where there are a lot of muslims(I jhave) and most do not speak or understand English, they may not have citizenship but they have permanent residency.FACT we are a English speaking country ,all immigrants (that includes Kiwis LOL ) must understand and speak English,at the Centrelink office where I recently had to go all the muslim women(to tell them apart they wear long flowing clothes and hide their heads and faces) had to have an interpreter , at what cost is this to tax payers , I watched elderly Australians (of all ethnicities) wait much longer than they should have ,mostly muslims and their tribes of kids were taking up most of the staffs time certain areas in Aus are overrun with muslims ,most that I have worked with do not want to integrate, I came here 49 years ago and worked with the Greeks,Italians,Yugoslavians,Germans,Maltese and many others from different countries, all tried to learn English and adapt into Aus,

 

one of the reasons of migrating to Australia I could see that in the Midland the muslims were taking over then, it has now got so bad in UK it is not safe in certain areas for a non muslim to enter .the pollies are never going to upset the minority , it seems that the minorities get more done for them than the majority , its getting a "them and us"scenario , I volunteer in a multi ethnic school and the muslims are by far the most arrogant and rudest people I have met and they are only children ,this comes from their upbringing at home ,bleeding hearts blame us the ordinary Australians, but they look through rose tinted glasses, muslims do not put Australia first , but blame everyone as racist , they are the most racist of all .I will welcome anyone who wants to migrate here, but not at the cost of Aus losing out,they must integrate not us adapt to their levels

 

 

[storchy neil]

sheeeet gareth bit hard on em but that's the truth as I see it speak English when in public neil

 

 

[facthunter]

The older ones of any nationality rarely become fluent in the new language and as they age they revert to the language they spoke originally. What gets me is they often come from countries that are dysfunctional and oppressive as a society, and don't really appreciate the freedoms we have here, just exploit them. Westerners value freedom. They've fought for it for a thousand years and it wasn't long ago that slavery was common. Plenty of the "born to rule" types would like to return to slavery. Part time jobs poorly paid ($2 a day) (a working poor), make cheap labor more available, and they want robots to take the jobs anyway, so a smaller number of people get very rich and a large number (and getting larger) get nowhere. ( Happening al over the world) Nev

 

 

[Bruce]

One scenario for the future is that there will be so few jobs that most will spend their lives on welfare, and the idea is that they will be happy as long as the welfare is enough.

 

This isn't really a new idea. Aborigines have been at this for many years. One advantage is that they are under no pressure to get a job, or worry about their kids not getting one. It could be a pretty good life, except if you like aeroplanes like I do.

 

If we solve the problems of resource depletion et this may happen.

 

 

[facthunter]

There's always plenty to do if you have a bit of imagination. Cleaning up the place, all the rubbish on the sides of the roads and controlling feral animals, introduced weeds,cane toads rabbits, wild pigs goats dogs, sort garbage for recycling instead of putting it into landfill educating people (the earth is not flat . How babies are made etc. Prison warders (growing industry), lots of potential there for masochists, COMEDIANS Need plenty of those. Land workers stopping erosion of rivers and coastlines, growing good food that's free of toxins People to clean rich peoples shoes, Toilets Personal Sports trainers Witchdoctors fire fighters to extinguish the deliberately lit fires done by Bored people. Alcohol deliverers, drug peddlers, sex toys polish expensive cars for the rich. personal psychiatrists. Gigolo Flying instructors (combine those jobs) As I say,you only need imagination so make your own list. Funeral directors. You wouldn't want be seen dead with a robot funeral director .Nev

 

 

[Marty_d]

There's always plenty to do if you have a bit of imagination. Cleaning up the place, all the rubbish on the sides of the roads and controlling feral animals, introduced weeds,cane toads rabbits, wild pigs goats dogs, sort garbage for recycling instead of putting it into landfill educating people (the earth is not flat . How babies are made etc. Prison warders (growing industry), lots of potential there for masochists, COMEDIANS Need plenty of those. Land workers stopping erosion of rivers and coastlines, growing good food that's free of toxins People to clean rich peoples shoes, Toilets Personal Sports trainers Witchdoctors fire fighters to extinguish the deliberately lit fires done by Bored people. Alcohol deliverers, drug peddlers, sex toys polish expensive cars for the rich. personal psychiatrists. Gigolo Flying instructors (combine those jobs) As I say,you only need imagination so make your own list. Funeral directors. You wouldn't want be seen dead with a robot funeral director .Nev

Have you been having a drink Nev? First time I've heard of the career of sex-toy-polishing airborne gigolo instructor.

 

 

[spacesailor]

Nev,

 

I never understood the thinking of replacing a worker At $25,000 a year, with a $5 million robot & a tech company on call at $50,000 a year.

 

When all the process jobs are gone, the workers will have to make "cottage industry" to sell hand made products to the elite, who refuse to have mass produced goods.

 

spacesailor

 

 

[facthunter]

I think the main advantage of a robot work force is it eliminates UNIONS and they don't tell idiot bosses they are idiots. Some things are very suited to robotic operation like machinery assembly lines but they will still do some things a human would not like miss part of a weld run on a lot of parts before it's noticed and rectified. The cost is very low compared to human use directly and consistent results are obtained when things are going fine. Cost may be materials plus a quite small % on large runs. Nev

 

 

[Marty_d]

There's some things you can't do with humans any more. Next time you look inside an Iphone or ultrabook computer, check out the sizes of the circuit boards and chips.

 

 

[facthunter]

You probably could arrange for it but there's no point. Robotics assist some very delicate operations now on humans, but the material is "variable" unlike a manufactured tiny component, where they are identical. Nev

 

 

[Bruce]

Most of Nev's list are things which need to be done but can't afford an employee. We need to have some ability for those getting the dole to do something, without taking jobs away from those actually employed. I reckon this could be done with some smart thinking.

 

Personally, I would pay the dole with a credit card, not valid for drugs and stuff, but allow recipients to earn some extra money.

 

 

[Bruce]

PS... How do you get a job as a gigolo? I have never seen one advertised in the employment section.

 

 

[facthunter]

Advertise as toy boy and go from there. if it's OK for the guys it's OK for the girls. This is all theory from my point of view, but I know some who have done it.. Its probably hard work.. Nev

 

 

[octave]

PS... How do you get a job as a gigolo? I have never seen one advertised in the employment section.

Bruce, you could send me your CV and I could pass it on to my employer, it would be good to have more staff so I could have the occasional night off

 

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

This thread has turned into the most unique insight into cyber-warfare I have seen, yet....

 

Bruce - you may want to start here... Gigolo Australia - Melbourne Male Escort Callboy Rentmen - Service, Jobs, Agency, but I am sure other cities provide lots of opportunities.. Given a) the number of blokes on their and b) the number of ratings received, I am guessing it is not a particularly "in-demand" industry (or google presented me the least popular site). Maybe combining it with flight instruction will help our poor-cash strapped FIs...

 

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

Go into many areas where there are a lot of muslims(I jhave) and most do not speak or understand English, they may not have citizenship but they have permanent residency.FACT we are a English speaking country ,all immigrants (that includes Kiwis LOL ) must understand and speak English,at the Centrelink office where I recently had to go all the muslim women(to tell them apart they wear long flowing clothes and hide their heads and faces) had to have an interpreter , at what cost is this to tax payers , I watched elderly Australians (of all ethnicities) wait much longer than they should have ,mostly muslims and their tribes of kids were taking up most of the staffs time certain areas in Aus are overrun with muslims ,most that I have worked with do not want to integrate, I came here 49 years ago and worked with the Greeks,Italians,Yugoslavians,Germans,Maltese and many others from different countries, all tried to learn English and adapt into Aus,one of the reasons of migrating to Australia I could see that in the Midland the muslims were taking over then, it has now got so bad in UK it is not safe in certain areas for a non muslim to enter .the pollies are never going to upset the minority , it seems that the minorities get more done for them than the majority , its getting a "them and us"scenario , I volunteer in a multi ethnic school and the muslims are by far the most arrogant and rudest people I have met and they are only children ,this comes from their upbringing at home ,bleeding hearts blame us the ordinary Australians, but they look through rose tinted glasses, muslims do not put Australia first , but blame everyone as racist , they are the most racist of all .I will welcome anyone who wants to migrate here, but not at the cost of Aus losing out,they must integrate not us adapt to their levels

I don't profess to be knowledgeable about the situation, so I am basing this on anecdotal observation more than anything else... But there are a few things to think about - It is fair to say that "mass" Muslim immigration is in its first wave and when people arrive from a foreign country - especially a foreign speaking country - they tend to eek out a community in an area and gravitate around it - familiarity breeds comfort in this case. And where there may be quite a few of these people who are refugees (let's leave the debate of whether they are economic or displaced for now) and managed to work through the system, then they will probably be in receipt of Centrelink payments. For refugees, I would not expect many of them to have had the time (or if economic refugees, the resources) to learn English before they leave - e.g. I don't recall Al Q or IS giving advanced warning of setting up their caliphates, etc. Though I do agree, if coming through the normal route of immigration, one should be able to show a minimum command of the English language to function, some of these people may have come in from circumstances that make it impractical. Also, refugees are rarely, if ever, immediately or in the short term, granted citizenship

 

About integration - I agree that there are some pockets where there is effectively a small annexation mentality (though I have been into very densely Muslim populated areas in Birmingham and surrounds and haven't felt disproportionately unsafe - maybe my powers of perception aren't that of others). And I agree that whether refugee or not, that integration should be a focus of coming to Australia. But how does one ensure it happens across most of the immigrant population - my guess would be there would need to be some education at the least and then some observation/sanction afterwards to ensure people integrate.. Do we really want to be observed by the government to ensure we are integrating? But then, what is integration anyway? Do immigrants have to befriend Aussies named "Smith" or something? How will it work. And does integration and adapting they Aussie life mean surrendering one's cultural identity? What about their [true] faith in such that it does not break the laws of the land? What about their culinary style? Do they have to abandon that and eat fish and chips (ironically, said to be imported into the UK by Jews) and meat + 3 limp veg? Point I am trying to make is what is defined as integration and in what way are Muslims not integrating while other first wave migrants are? I recall as a child there was a clear segregation of mainly Greeks and Italians, as a teenager, Vietnamese (was it Kensington in Melb where many settled and some turf wars played out - then Richmond with their vast array of restaurants), then the Turks (mainly Coburg/Brunswick being demonised about their whiplash schools when it was a small minority being "entrepreneurial" with road accident compensation). Each could be said to be guilty of non-integration, each set up enclaves and mainly mixed with themselves until the next generation, but in that next generation, the benefits seem to have been reaped.

 

As for the arrogance and rudeness - I can't comment, but I can say that the ones I know are the opposite. Which got me thinking - are we tarring all Muslims with the same brush when in fact there are many different tribes and different geographical locations in which they have lived for centuries - from Africa to Southern Europe to the Middle East, through the sub continent and into oriental Asia (Malaysia and Indonesia spring to mind, but the Philippines also seems to have a historical population from recent events. I am not sure all of these are intrinsically arrogant or rude.

 

One thing though that works against them is that there doesn't appear to be history in other immigration groups of Jihad, however, many wars and terrorsist attacks have been waged in the name of other religions over the years. Though I think the definition of a terrorist attack is now being muddied (was the Brighton incident really a terrorist attack or a nutter given self-legitimacy to do something very stupid), certainly in Australia, most of these attacks would seem to come from non-Muslim people (or non-terrorist group organised people).

 

 

[pmccarthy]

Australia imported lots of Muslims in the 19th century. The camel drivers kept inland Australia going for fifty years or so. They lived in camps on the edge of towns, built their own mosques, killed their own Halal meat etc. I had good friends descended from them. The only trouble was two men who went on Jihad in Broken Hill and shot up a picnic train, they were both killed.

 

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

Yes - I did forget to mention that Muslims in the 19th century - from memory, they were predominantly Afghans.. That, however, was during a time in which Australia was still a colony (or set of colonies) and I think then, as now, different ethnic/national groups still congregated in their areas and integrated in so far as trading with each other or working to attain new wealth. Also, they were Afghan Muslims as opposed, to say Malaysian Muslims and I wouldn't guess which sect of Islam they followed, (Suni, She'ite, etc)... But that is my point - it's too wide a label to generalise all Muslims to a set of characteristics...

 

 

[Marty_d]

I don't think I could be a gigolo. There'd be some 10-pinters and with 3 or 4 jobs a night, one way or the other I would be incapable...

 

 

[facthunter]

It's like ice cream . A bit is OK but a lot will make you sick. Nev

 

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

Don't sell yourself "short", Marty_d

 

 

[Bruce]

I read that Casanova "entertained" up to 17 clients in a day, and he lived mainly on oysters.

 

My wife buys me oysters from time to time. But even with these I have to agree with Marty.

 

 

[Bruce]

On the subject of Afghan camel drivers, there were a couple of left-over old ones in Alice Springs in the 50's . Boys were told to stay away from one in particular who was known as the Rajah.

 

Remember that the train didn't start till 1929 and so it was only 21 years till 1950.

 

 

[facthunter]

Not all oysters work, but nothing's perfect. Nev