Pauline Hanson's "One Nation"

[Marty_d]

I've started this thread as I refuse to comment on this person in the Rec Flying site. Any and all point of views welcome.

 

 

[Marty_d]

I don't think the rorting is the worst thing about One Nation.

 

Their attempts to slash the ABC really get my goat. As FT said over in RecFly, it is a pure and simple revenge motive because the ABC dares to shine a light into their murky practises and beliefs.

 

The ABC, in my view, gives the best and most unbiased news, current affairs, in-depth investigation (how many times has the Government been forced to react to criminal behaviour uncovered by 4 Corners?) - plus quality dramas, kid's programming and other entertainment shows. Not to mention the great catch-up service (iview), excellent national and local radio stations and their website.

 

For this group of ignorant, hate-filled, morally, intellectually and ideologically bankrupt losers to attack one of our absolutely world-class public broadcasters for reasons petty revenge beggars belief.

 

Add to this their ignorance and animosity towards scientific evidence (Hanson arguing against vaccination, Roberts denying climate change), their racist attitudes towards immigrants, and their attempt to paint themselves and their supporters as the only "true" Australians, and it's a wonder that anyone would vote for them.

 

I sincerely hope they go the way of Clive Palmer.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

Thanks for switching to this forum, Marty. I felt bad about getting bogged down in politics on the other one.

 

While I agree with most of your post, we do need diversity in our parliament; Australia has for too long had two large parties with similar mindsets. We can often find something of value in our opponent's platform.

 

Which government pioneered legislation against smoking, cruelty to animals and destruction of the environment?

 

The Nazi Party.

 

Pauline Hanson is the only politician I know of who has called for an inquiry into whether Islam is a religion (therefore able to claim tax-free status and gain government subsidies for its schools) -or a political movement dedicated to eventually taking control of every aspect of our lives.

 

This makes up for all her other silly ideas.

 

 

[coljones]

snip, snip, snip

Pauline Hanson is the only politician I know of who has called for an inquiry into whether Islam is a religion (therefore able to claim tax-free status and gain government subsidies for its schools) -or a political movement dedicated to eventually taking control of every aspect of our lives.

 

This makes up for all her other silly ideas.

You could equally ask whether the other religions are religions or political movements dedicated to eventually taking control of every aspect of our lives - a lot of them have form

[Old Koreelah]

Good point, Col, but you can walk away from most of those faiths without death threats.

 

 

[Bruce]

With respect to ABC bias... Have a read of Dick Smith's book where he has a chapter on the issue.

 

I reckon we are headed for disaster from overpopulation, resource depletion and climate change. And the ABC is part of the problem. They are not quite censoring the issues, but darn close to.

 

Many years ago, I stopped listening to the ABC when the breakfast announcer and some mate of his conducted the worst misogynistic hostile interview I had ever heard. It was against a female labor senator and it was as close to a gang-rape you could do for a radio interview. She was interrupted from her answering one sneering question after another till I turned off, never to turn on again.

 

I reckon we can and should demand high standards from the ABC, and I do think there should be checks in place to keep it straight.... but I would not trust an Abbott appointed person to do this either.

 

On Hanson... her climate-change denials bother me but her stance on immigration more than makes up for this. Effectively Hanson has the greenest proposal out there.

 

 

[hihosland]

By what logic are religious organizations granted a tax exemption?

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

Beats me.

 

Religious institutions: access to tax concessions

 

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/easter-is-a-good-time-to-revisit-taxexempt-status-of-religious-organisations-20160323-gnpzjj.html

 

Election FactCheck: is the Australian Sex Party right about religious organisations, tax and record-keeping?

 

LETTER: This is why churches don't pay tax

 

No Cookies | Daily Telegraph

 

 

[nomadpete]

Marty, I don't think it is productive to keep a particular political party around just to provide a rebellious vote option at election time. Especially when their one or two better policies might be outweighed by their redneck, backward policies.

 

I say, bring back Don Chipp and the democrats. We do need at least a third party, if only to "Keep the ba###rds honest."

 

Our political duopoly makes a mockery of true democracy

 

 

[Bruce]

There is a protest vote against the establishment and I for one understand why.

 

But this protest vote put Trump into power much to my surprise. I would have voted for Hillary, but with misgivings because she stood for large-scale immigration.

 

Hanson will reap a similar anti-establishment vote and I am considering voting for her. As long as the SA rep is not too loony.

 

Who else wants to reduce the immigration rate to sane levels? And those immigrants and their offspring will be around forever while politicians come and go. Australia is now a net importer of food, and we are mining non-renewables at an insane rate to produce the food we are eating today.

 

I wish Dick Smith would start a party.

 

 

[kgwilson]

Hansen & her mob are bigots. There are also plenty of those in the Lib/Nats but they don't portray it with the same aplomb. PH has become so right wing that she has chewed up & spat out many of her own supporters when they don't agree with her. "Hey it's my party, do as I say not as I do". And what about the rorts and corruption. Hang on that seems to be normal practice with those currently in power. The current political landscape worldwide is on a slippery slope to annihilation. Put Pauline, Kim Jong & Donald in a room & watch humanity disappear even quicker.

 

Do I sound pessimistic. You betcha. At the current rate of decline we'll be lucky to see 2100.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

...Australia is now a net importer of food...

If that is true, it's a big worry. We were once told that Australia feeds several times our own population.

 

...we are mining non-renewables at an insane rate to produce the food we are eating today....

A worrying fact the public needs to understand. Australia's soils were old and worn out even before the white fellas started abusing them. Our farmers import lots of nutrients, and they're running out fast. Some recent trials using urban sewage waste as fertiliser are a small step in the right direction.

 

...I wish Dick Smith would start a party.

A pathetic comment on the electorate that we'd need a well-heeled public icon to bring some sanity to government.

 

 

[Bruce]

Old K but if you google up the question " is Australia a net importer of food" you will get "yes" for an answer.

 

France beats our prices on some items because it has cheaper and more reliable electricity, using Australian uranium in their nuclear power stations.

 

Just why the greenies ( who ban nuclear power in Australia ) do not protest about importing food from a nuclear-power country is a mystery to me. Surely they must think this food is contaminated.

 

 

[coljones]

Australia is now a net importer of food

An interesting quote - I would like to see an authoritative source.

 

Apart from my Asian condiments, all of my food is grown locally including my tofu and Chinese vegies.

 

 

[coljones]

I know some won't like this as it is from the ABC and supports statements from Barnaby Joyce. We don't have a trade deficit in food but do in groceries mainly made up of medicine, cosmetics, booze and soap (and toilet paper)

 

Fact check: Will Australia ever be the 'food bowl of Asia'?

 

 

[Marty_d]

The thing to remember about the other two protest votes that led to very undesirable outcomes - Trump and Brexit - were that both of them won on the "yes" votes of only 26% of eligible voters. (Clinton actually got 3 million more votes than Trump - just not in the right states.)

 

So it wasn't so much a popular uprising, rather it was apathy on the part of normal voters. If Democrat voters had any clue that Trump could possibly win, they would have turned out in droves. Same with Brexit.

 

So hopefully, given that Australia has compulsory voting, there will always be enough sensible people to counterract the minority that are protesting, or suckered in by the anti-immigration stance of Hanson.

 

Pauline Hanson is the only politician I know of who has called for an inquiry into whether Islam is a religion...This makes up for all her other silly ideas.

On Hanson... her climate-change denials bother me but her stance on immigration more than makes up for this.

Probably what the good Germans said about that nationalist socialist party that started in 1920.

 

Can I just point out that Australia already has some of the harshest anti-asylum seeker practices in the world, and some of the weakest action on climate change in the developed world. So if anyone professed to care about the climate yet voted for Hanson, I would question where their priorities lay.

 

 

[Bruce]

I reckon the climate-change stuff from our 2 major parties is so bad that it is even worse than honest denial. It amounts to dishonest denial.

 

Here's what would do some real good: go to nuclear electric generation and pay farmers to produce charcoal for burial.

 

Which party is going to do either of these? They are as bad as Hanson in outcomes. in fact worse because of the bigger population.

 

 

[Bruce]

AND the population is growing by 2000 a day, and the 2 major parties reckon this is ok even if they are quiet about it.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

...Australia already has some of the harshest anti-asylum seeker practices in the world, and some of the weakest action on climate change in the developed world. So if anyone professed to care about the climate yet voted for Hanson, I would question where their priorities lay.

You're right in both cases, Marty. In other threads I've explained my 180 degree change of stance re asylum-seekers, although it pains me to agree with anything Hanson says.

 

We could do the noble thing, as Germany has done, and open the flood gates. How many of the millions of suffering people should we let in? What will be the impact on social cohesion of a massive influx of Moslems?

 

(Yes, I know that Australia has absorbed lots of different cultures in the past, but this time it's different- many in the second and subsequent generations have no desire to integrate with the mainstream and too many want to do us harm.

 

Strangely, the likes of Hanson might actually do more good for the climate debate than she intends. If we reduced immigration we'd cut this country's carbon footprint. Similarly, if Trump manages to lead the US (and the rest of us) over the economic abyss, it will do more to cut greenhouse gases than the Greenies could ever manage.

 

 

[spacesailor]

Old K

 

"We could do the noble thing, as Germany has done, and open the flood gates."

 

Only if the let the brits back in, as they've stuffed their country with over the top immigration, & crazy laws to appease minority groups.

 

spacesailor

 

 

[coljones]

You're right in both cases, Marty. In other threads I've explained my 180 degree change of stance re asylum-seekers, although it pains me to agree with anything Hanson says.

We could do the noble thing, as Germany has done, and open the flood gates. How many of the millions of suffering people should we let in? What will be the impact on social cohesion of a massive influx of Moslems?

 

(Yes, I know that Australia has absorbed lots of different cultures in the past, but this time it's different- many in the second and subsequent generations have no desire to integrate with the mainstream and too many want to do us harm.

 

Strangely, the likes of Hanson might actually do more good for the climate debate than she intends. If we reduced immigration we'd cut this country's carbon footprint. Similarly, if Trump manages to lead the US (and the rest of us) over the economic abyss, it will do more to cut greenhouse gases than the Greenies could ever manage.

I'm not sure what the figures are but a very large user of electricity is aluminium smelting for export. Australia is, in effect, importing a large amount of pollution. A reduction in either the population or the rate of immigration will have little effect on that. Export of iron ore and coal to China, Japan and South Korea and the import to Australia of finished goods leaves the pollution problems offshore

 

 

[coljones]

Old K"We could do the noble thing, as Germany has done, and open the flood gates."

 

Only if the let the brits back in, as they've stuffed their country with over the top immigration, & crazy laws to appease minority groups.

 

spacesailor

You're right - the bloody Normans and the rest of the royal family get the world handed to them on a platter!!