Electric Cars - the discussion continues.

[nomadpete]

Sorry, Nev. Try these BMW X3 pics to compare...

Not sure how the transmissions compare, though I suspect the electric system might be simpler than the ice one.

 

[nomadpete]

 Comparing transmissions,

 

the BMW transmission (or other modern ice auto) is a bulky, heavy, very complex 8 speed automatic with complex control systems (which I believe is the weakest part of it).

 

The Tesla (and probably most EV's) do not have multi speed transmissions - so, I suspect greater reliability cheaper manufacture, and lower whole-of-life cost.

 

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

3 hours ago, spacesailor said:

The bottom  image has a " coal fired " , powe-station to get jt moving. 

spacesailor

Only in countries that have haad backwards or corrupt energy policies. Even that is changing

[onetrack]

Deleted - error in engine ID.

 

Edited August 20, 2023 by onetrack

[nomadpete]

I am eager to get an electric vehicle - when the next generation of batteries gets past it's beta stage. And after I double my rooftop solar panels, to charge it. That way, I will be self sufficient for household energy AND transport fuel. I won't have a coal fired home or EV.

[nomadpete]

5 minutes ago, onetrack said:

Nomadpete, your bottom engine photo is a BMW V12. X3's don't use V12's, they're only used in the 700 series Beemers, the 850 series, and Rolls Royces.

OK, my bad. But the message  remains the same. 

 

Many moving, wearing parts in the liquid fuelled engine. Very few in the electric motor. It is clear which will cost the most to use.

 

Sure, modern motors can do a lot of miles, but they still need lots of expensive lubricating oil whether they are driven or not. Whole of life costs will be a big factor in the demise of ice motors.

Edited August 20, 2023 by nomadpete

[onetrack]

No, sorry - my error, I deleted my comment as I initially thought the bottom engine was a V12. Upon closer inspection, I realised it was a straight six.

[red750]

[Marty_d]

3 hours ago, nomadpete said:

I am eager to get an electric vehicle - when the next generation of batteries gets past it's beta stage. And after I double my rooftop solar panels, to charge it. That way, I will be self sufficient for household energy AND transport fuel. I won't have a coal fired home or EV.

You're in Tassie Peter, so you don't get coal fired power anyway. 

[kgwilson]

The latest round of new EVs from China are now down in the Corolla price range and even the smallest batteries are now getting around 350km. Both the new MG4 & BYD Dolphin small battery options are under 40k before incentives.

 

New battery technologies are developing so quickly it is almost impossible to keep up. A lot though have massive energy density but very low longevity & this is the biggest hurdle. Sodium batteries though are now entering the EV market.

[old man emu]

Seems that every problem soon has a solution that makes someone money.

 

 

 

I wonder what would happen if a government made it so that all profits made by processing waste to produce useable raw materials were tax free, and any other taxes that a business would have to pay, like payroll tax, land tax, GST, were also waived. 

[onetrack]

On a smaller scale, I've been finding lately that "no-name" Chinese batteries (say, such as 2032 button battery, and AA's and AAA's) don't have the energy reserves of the "brand name" batteries.

 

I'm finding that things such as remotes and other small battery-powered equipment, start to play up and won't perform when the "no-name" batteries are used - even though my multimeter says they're producing near the voltage they're supposed to, with a quick check - it's obvious when the load comes on them, their voltage/power output falls away.

 

Edited August 21, 2023 by onetrack

[spacesailor]

I've had that same problem with my TV remote, 

New 1.5 v alkaline batteries it's working great , a couple of weeks later it plays up ,

Battery test says 1.4 volt standby,  but 1.1 v loaded .

Lots of AA batteries only fit for those garden LED'S lights.

I suppose I could buy more garden lights .

spacesailor

 

[red750]

[kgwilson]

Buy cheap no name or even named batteries and you will never get the performance of quality name brand batteries. There are good batteries though for a reasonable price. I tried the Aldi brand Activ Energy and they are well priced and actually topped the Canstar Blue best rated batteries review ahead of Duracell, Varta and Energiser though they don't have a full range including button batteries.

 

The AA, AAA, D & 15 volt alkaline batteries from Activ Energy all perform as well as the other top batteries.

[onetrack]

Meantimes, back at the coal face, a billionaire Nigerian (he must have replied to the Nigerian Prince emails, and actually got all that money), in conjunction with the Chinese, has nearly completed the worlds largest oil refinery in Lagos.

 

The size of this refinery is staggering, the regenerator alone weighs 3000 tonnes (the worlds largest regenerator, and the heaviest load ever moved on an African road) - the oil column or reactor is 1673 tonnes and 44 metres high - and the oil refinery site covers 6180 acres and includes a power station and a urea fertiliser plant. The entire setup is slated to employ 135,000 Africans!

 

https://www.heavyliftnews.com/mammoet-congratulates-dangote-industries-team-on-the-inauguration-of-the-worlds-largest-single-train-refinery-at-ibeju-lekki-lagos-video/

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangote_Refinery#

 

Aliko Dangote managed to cobble together all the financing for the project, obviously the Chinese would have a major share, but he's got money from all over the world as well.

They've had lots of problems of course, the project was originally supposed to cost US$9B, now it's up to US$15B and it's still not operational - but it's very close now.

It was supposed to be up and running in 2018, but it's had multiple changes to the completion date and is 5 years behind schedule.

 

However, when it does start up operation this year, the production of oil and fuel products from this refinery is going to put pressure on oil supplies and prices.

Unfortunately, though, Nigeria is part of OPEC, and has been since 1971, so once again, we won't see any competition in the oil market.

 

However, if fossil fuel demand really starts to sag with increasing EV production and use, it will be interesting to see if OPEC hangs together or if individual countries such as Nigeria start to go it alone and look for a bigger share of a diminishing fossil fuel market - especially when they've got a major refinery to pay for, over at least the next 25 or 30 years.

 

Edited August 22, 2023 by onetrack

[Old Koreelah]

The potential for electric vehicles is exciting; I’m currently designing a ride-on mower for my steep, rocky block and these sort of in-hub electric wheels are attractive:

 

[red750]

Beware of ICE-holes.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12451763/How-electric-car-owners-seeing-designated-car-spots-Sydney-streets-blocked-drivers-petrol-cars-rude-nickname-theyve-given-motorists.html?ito=social-facebook

[facthunter]

Charge them all. IF that's news they are short of it.  Nev

[spacesailor]

Just ic car driver's , retaliating against those weird 'os , letting SUV tyres down .

Not much about the flat tyres in the news, But sacrilege to go against the " ev " fraternity. 

A little like  the " cars with kids '' parking spaces , fill them with shopping trolley 's .

spacesailor

Edited August 29, 2023 by spacesailor

[facthunter]

Toongabbie sounds like a fun Place, space. Nev

[spacesailor]

Not here , it's the ' city ' folk that quarrel. 

Includes Melbourne & Adelaide. 

my neighbour has a nice new " Tesla 3 " , & I have been given a lift in it .

spacesailor

[facthunter]

Maybe you're right. I recently did about 2500 kms in the eldest son's V6 Raptor and a lot of the time  especially in Wollongong there would be a Tesla parked right next to it when you returned to it. .  Nev

[red750]

The little-known parking sign that could cost you $2200

 

Drivers might want to double check parking signs before leaving their car in the street with an increase in a new type of restriction that could prove costly for unwitting motorists.

 

With the rise in electric vehicles (EV) in Australia, charging stations are now being incorporated kerbside. However the accompanying parking signs indicating the spaces are similar to existing signage, with the use of the traditional numeral and letter P format.

 

 

One frustrated EV driver wanting to charge his car in Sydney's Newtown blasted two fuel vehicles who had used the EV charging spaces.

 

He photographed the sign which shows a large 4P with a 12-hour window and below a graphic of a car with an electrical cord. "Only while charging," it says underneath.

 

Failing to realise these new signs indicate EV-only parking can prove costly in Australia, with fines as high as $3,200 in the ACT.

[spacesailor]

The same as parking in a disabled spot .

Yesterday a taxi With a disabled permit . ? 

spacesailor