More blatant 'Conspiracy Theory' stuff.

[nomadpete]

I was going to vote for the sex party. After all, there would be a lot less wars if world leaders got laid instead of getting out of bed.

 

BUT then I thought about it a bit deeper - they'd probably find a way to tax it!

 

Marty you missed one:

 

Q - What do Japanese blokes do when they have an erection?

 

A - They go to the polling booth like everyone else.

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Even if the Sex Party got in, they probably wouldn't keep their erection promises...

Dunno whether to interpret that pseudo Chinese as Waaaaaaaycist,. . .or Seeeexist Marty. . . .

 

'Waiter ,. . .this chicken is very rubbery'. . .waiter - Ah, fank you so much. . .'

 

 

[Bruce]

The most stable form of government is feudalism. Capitalism is too voracious for the planet to cope with for long.

 

We are already seeing a return to feudalism, just ask kim jong or lizzy windsor or that super rich hancock woman.

 

Only feudal lords have any incentive to care about the long term, after all their hereditary rights extend forever into the future. This is totally different to short-term elected pollies whose incentive is to only care about the very short term.

 

 

[Phil Perry]

A bit of enjoyable HARD RIGHT, BBC BASHING PROPAGANDA from a UKIP candidate. ( With which I totally agree by the way )

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5D77ow9588

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

Marty, I think Phil has a good point about the middle ground thing. Unfortunately it's never really materialized. The right side, at times, has given us stability and a few economic good time bubbles. The left has given us better working conditions, universal health care and other social conditions...

That's true Willedoo, but people fail to realise how the big end of town has benefitted from left-wing governments. Improving the spending power of working people created a mass market for entrepreneurs. If the likes of Tony Abbott had been in power, millions would be subsisting on sweatshop wages and be unable to buy the products of their labours.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

A bit of enjoyable HARD RIGHT, BBC BASHING PROPAGANDA from a UKIP candidate. ( With which I totally agree by the way )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5D77ow9588

Phil if it''s as bad as he claimed, why didn't he call for an inquiry, or the board to be sacked and reformed?

 

Are you sure he isn't a secret agent for Rupert?

 

If the BBC is stripped of its license funding, it'll run even more damned ads on its website. Will we still be able to see Dr. Who? Wattle happen to David Attenbro?

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Personally Sir, I would gladly pay a reduced subscription for some BBC progs, the wildlife stuff is superb ! as is some of their Drama output and some of their Documentary stuff, the stuff not having any political spin of course ! I DO object to the manner in which the Licence fee is collected though, on pain of a £1,000 fine And, in some cases 3 months in pokey ! If they did not pay 'News' presenters a couple of hundred grand a year Plus, just to read an autocue, and there are many dozens of these, it would also sit better.

 

 

[Marty_d]

That's true Willedoo, but people fail to realise how the big end of town has benefitted from left-wing governments. Improving the spending power of working people created a mass market for entrepreneurs. If the likes of Tony Abbott had been in power, millions would be subsisting on sweatshop wages and be unable to buy the products of their labours.

You're right there OK - even the leader of the Reserve Bank, not precisely a sandal-wearing hippie, is warning that the lack of wage growth for low and middle class earners is going to negatively impact the economy.

 

What right-wing loonies that complain about the cost of welfare and waitresses' wages on Sundays don't realise is, that poor people spend 100% of their income, mostly on necessities. This keeps the economy going. Rich people spend a relatively tiny bit of their income on essentials and the rest goes into making more money, through some investments which create jobs, like shares in growing companies, but a whole lot that doesn't create anything, like speculating in real estate and artificially inflating prices.

 

Give the lowest earners a boost and what do they do? They spend it all, adding to the economy, and subsequently increasing the value of the shareholdings of the rich. Call it the "trickle-up" effect if you will.

 

 

[coljones]

You're right there OK - even the leader of the Reserve Bank, not precisely a sandal-wearing hippie, is warning that the lack of wage growth for low and middle class earners is going to negatively impact the economy.

What right-wing loonies that complain about the cost of welfare and waitresses' wages on Sundays don't realise is, that poor people spend 100% of their income, mostly on necessities. This keeps the economy going. Rich people spend a relatively tiny bit of their income on essentials and the rest goes into making more money, through some investments which create jobs, like shares in growing companies, but a whole lot that doesn't create anything, like speculating in real estate and artificially inflating prices.

 

Give the lowest earners a boost and what do they do? They spend it all, adding to the economy, and subsequently increasing the value of the shareholdings of the rich. Call it the "trickle-up" effect if you will.

Or spent overseas buying fancy aeroplanes, flying first class and spending big on 6 star hotels.hotel and damaging the Australian economy.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

... Rich people spend a relatively tiny bit of their income on essentials and the rest goes into making more money, through some investments which create jobs, like shares in growing companies, but a whole lot that doesn't create anything, like speculating in real estate and artificially inflating prices...

Marty you forgot to mention that obscene subsidy that helps the rich get richer, and which helps stop poor people from ever owning their own home: Negative Gearing.

 

 

[coljones]

Marty you forgot to mention that obscene subsidy that helps the rich get richer, and which helps stop poor people from ever owning their own home: Negative Gearing.

Jeez Koreelah,. A leftee ratbag in Quirindi, that must be a hard act.

 

 

[facthunter]

Someone's gotta do the job before they (the exploiters) stuff everything. Tassie has enough (just) green credentials left to attract people, because that sort of thing is becoming rarer, if they do the right thing and appreciate their real assetts. You can't destroy aquifers and artesian water in any country especially this one, with out paying the cost eventually. Green thoughts are opposed/hated in the pretend Tory LieNP. Conservation and the environment should concern ALL parties simply because the end result of not looking after the planet makes it uninhabitable or at least very unhealthy. Damage without rectification is just stealing/vandalism. Most of the profit goes overseas where their country is kept looking nice. You'd have to be DUMB to allow it to continue unchecked. Nev

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

Jeez Koreelah,. A leftee ratbag in Quirindi, that must be a hard act.

On the contrary Col, this place is a hotbed of ratbagery

 

 

[Marty_d]

Just a minor point OK... I don't know if it's actually a word, but I'd have used a double "g" in "ratbaggery". As it is, it looks like it only needs an accidental "L" to make it "ratbagelry", which sounds like an unfortunate thing to happen to a bakery.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

Blame the plurry iPad spelling Nazi!

 

 

[willedoo]

That's true Willedoo, but people fail to realise how the big end of town has benefitted from left-wing governments. Improving the spending power of working people created a mass market for entrepreneurs. If the likes of Tony Abbott had been in power, millions would be subsisting on sweatshop wages and be unable to buy the products of their labours.

Thanks O.K., for pointing that out. It's obvious once explained. And thanks also to all those Lefty, Pinko Ratbags for backing you up.

 

We were brought up to believe the Soviets were the enemy of Capitalism, but they were the first in the world to introduce the 40 hour working week. So that flowed on to the West via the Unions, and the better pay deals and increased leisure time led to more demand, which pumped steroids into the Capitalist bandwagon.

 

Well it sounds a good theory to me. ... Good God - the Russians did it. Hillary's right after all.

 

Cheers, Willie.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

That realisation might warm the cockles of an old leftie's heart, but the Trumps of this world still march over the bodies of their loyal followers.

 

Time, once again, to look at the realities of our illustrious leaders:

 

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[coljones]

Thanks O.K., for pointing that out. It's obvious once explained. And thanks also to all those Lefty, Pinko Ratbags for backing you up.

We were brought up to believe the Soviets were the enemy of Capitalism, but they were the first in the world to introduce the 40 hour working week. So that flowed on to the West via the Unions, and the better pay deals and increased leisure time led to more demand, which pumped steroids into the Capitalist bandwagon.

 

Well it sounds a good theory to me. ... Good God - the Russians did it. Hillary's right after all.

 

Cheers, Willie.

Australia was an early adopter of the 8 hour day, during the 1850s, the 40hr week was not universally achieved till much later. Russia only acheived the 8 hour day in 1917 but I can't find a reference to the 40 hour week. The significance of the 8 hour day is that it was never the gift of capital or government but a hard one right following long campaigns by workers and their unions.

 

 

[Marty_d]

Australia was an early adopter of the 8 hour day, during the 1850s, the 40hr week was not universally achieved till much later. Russia only acheived the 8 hour day in 1917 but I can't find a reference to the 40 hour week. The significance of the 8 hour day is that it was never the gift of capital or government but a hard one right following long campaigns by workers and their unions.

And the trouble with hard won rights is that they need to be fought to be kept, or they'll disappear. Pity union membership is at an all-time low.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

And the trouble with hard won rights is that they need to be fought to be kept, or they'll disappear. Pity union membership is at an all-time low.

An even bigger pity is that so many professional union officials use their position to advance their careers-

 

rather than assisting their members.

 

 

[coljones]

An even bigger pity is that so many professional union officials use their position to advance their careers-rather than assisting their members.

You've been reading the Telegraph again. The vast majority of union officials and employees are dedicated hard working individuals who have a long term commitment to the ideals of there union and their membership. There are bad people in all professions.

 

 

[Phil Perry]

And the trouble with hard won rights is that they need to be fought to be kept, or they'll disappear. Pity union membership is at an all-time low.

Yeah,. . .When I returned to England in 1982, and found that my promised job was not going to materialise, I bit the bullet ad went self employed.. From the outset, I found that trying to restrict myself to a forty hour week was not going to work, as jobs needed to be completed on time, and customers assumed That I must be a rich man, as I had my own business. I was FORCED by neccessity to join Four separate Unions,. . . otherwise I would have been denied access to various unionized sites, such as Exhibition buildings, Large car manufacturing plants, Petrochemical plants and similar, which were all Union controlled. And yet,. . . even paying my union dues for nearly thirty five years,, I found that NONE of the protection afforded to other union members applied to me, as a self employed contractor. This is my REAL experience of Unions Marty, not some hairy fairy, fluffy good guys narrative of how they 'Improved' life for the workers,. . .Oh, I'm not decrying what Unions dd in the past,. . but like all things, they morphed into an all encompassing Patriarchal block, complete with heavies to ensure continued compliance.

 

Have a REAL look at what they did to the UK car industry. . . ( Such as it was. . .) AND I HAVE TO DISAGREE with you too COL,. . .I NEVER met a union official who did anything other than place as many ridiculous obstacles as possible in the way of getting a job done efficiently. . I was working at the NEC ( Nat Exhib Centre ) in Birmingham three years back, and I was told that I could NOT use a paint brush to touch up an exhibition stand that I had supplied graphics for, to cover some scratches,. . Nooooo, WRONG TRADE. . .I was Graphics trade. . . I had to find a Painter's Union bloke to do that for me. . .and I had to pay him at the going Union rate. . .He told me that if I dipped my brush in that paint there would be 'hell to pay'. . . . Similar experiences in London, even at outdoor exhibtions in parks and other open spaces. . . One year in Wales, at the National farmers Union Country Show, I was frogmarched off the site, as my Union card didn't cover working in Wales. . .. . .FCS !

 

.My Dad had a very successful Engineering business which supplied the UK car industry with pressed metal parts for 40 years, He lost count of the times that his truck drivers were made to wait up to three days just to unload the parts which the company had ordered, all caused by jumped up 'Officials' offering no reason for the hold ups other than 'Because we can' . . .this is personal history,. . . this is fact. This occurred with regularity in the 70s and early 80s at sites all over the country ON DEADLINES. . . where he was sending vital supplies for production line work. . .

 

NO . . .Stuff Modern Unions and the bloody 'Oss they rode in on. They are no longer any tangible use to Socialists, Right wing rabids, nor anyone else either. EG.STRONG, Unionised Underground train dirvers in London making £67K per annum, WITHOUT any overtime ( Which all of them do at Time + 50% ). . .driving trains which are deliberately designed to be Automatic. . .IE, they are there to press a button to stop the train if anything goes wrong,. . forget the automatic pilot which has been used totally successfully on the Docklands Light railway for over ten years. . . .

 

The TGWU and ASLEF would bring the capital to a halt if anyone tried to question this insanity. . . .They are already having disputes and strikes are threatened over the Christmas period,. . . obviously to cause maximum grief to the plebs. . .and thereby the Government to give them more pay. . .they are a law unto themselves whom not even the great Jeremy Corbyn ( PBUH ) could ever hope to control.

 

Just as an aside,. . when I worked for a company in Brisbane n the 70s, we had some signs and graphics to deliver to the 'EKKA' the Brisbane Exhibition, and my boss had to pay union membership for 12 months for three of us, just to deliver and fit a few signs onto One exhibition stand.. . .the 'Heavies' made it clear that if we tried to get in without cards, then we'd 'get our heads kicked in'. . .welcome to Nice, unionized Australia mate. . .you can stick it where the sun don't shine ( no offence meant. . .true stories here )

 

 

[nomadpete]

Contrary to the picture you paint, Phil, my experience has been very different. During my many years as an employee of large and small businesses, I had only a couple of 'fallings out' with unions. And those two events were philosophical differences, not physical. I didnt always join the union, and there were no repurcussions. In two heavily unionized workplaces, the unions greatly assisted when employers tried to introduce individual annually reviewed workplace contracts which had such things as the employers right to assign a individual to any job on the planet at short notice, with instant dismissal for any dissent. An isolated individual can't negotiate with a big organisation.

 

I have never been asked to show a union card, and never been denied access to a workplace for being non union. Did get a couple of rude remarks, but that can even happen if you back the wrong footy team.

 

Having said that, there are some unions that have high level corruption, just like some political parties (or individuals). And the link between union representation and political activity should be severed.

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Contrary to the picture you paint, Phil, my experience has been very different. During my many years as an employee of large and small businesses, I had only a couple of 'fallings out' with unions. And those two events were philosophical differences, not physical. I didnt always join the union, and there were no repurcussions. In two heavily unionized workplaces, the unions greatly assisted when employers tried to introduce individual annually reviewed workplace contracts which had such things as the employers right to assign a individual to any job on the planet at short notice, with instant dismissal for any dissent. I have never been asked to show a union card, and never been denied access to a workplace for being non union. Did get a couple of rude remarks, but that can even happen if you back the wrong footy team.

 

Fair dooz Pete. I can only tell it the way I saw and experienced it. As did Dad. I'm very glad you've had a different experience. Our family must be just the unlucky ones. . .

 

 

[nomadpete]

Back in the 70's I did hear about a union threatening a black ban on my (small business) employer because the storeman hadn't joined the Storeman & Packers union. Such events seem to have faded out in recent times - except maybe with the Dockers or the BLF