Have a great...

[Jerry_Atrick]

festive season.....

 

Best of merriment and libations...

 

JA

 

 

[spacesailor]

Best wishes to one & all, for a Very merry christmas.

 

spacesailor

 

 

[nomadpete]

Happy Holiday to all!

 

(As a politically correct American might say)

 

 

[Marty_d]

Merry christmas everyone!

 

 

[spacesailor]

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR

 

HAVE A PROSPEROUS 2019

 

spaceailor

 

 

[old man emu]

io Saturnalia !!!

 

Let's celebrate the Dies Natalis Solis Invicti,

 

 

[willedoo]

io Saturnalia !!!Let's celebrate the Dies Natalis Solis Invicti,

No idea what that is, but if it involves beer, I'm in.

 

 

[spacesailor]

I'll ask Mr Google

 

" Birthday of the Unconquered Sun"

 

Why,

 

What is the date for the solis invicta. ?.

 

The Christians took over the pagan celebration dates, do we need a reciprocal, from Christianity to pagan

 

Other religions also want a holiday for their disciples, I think,, too many other religious people think Jesus is a god & not god's disciple.

 

spacesailor

 

 

[old man emu]

Sol Invictus ("Unconquered Sun") was the official sun god of the later Roman Empire and a patron of soldiers. On 25 December AD 274, the Roman emperor Aurelian made it an official cult alongside the traditional Roman cults.

 

Saturnalia was an ancient Roman festival in honour of the god Saturn, held on 17 December of the Julian calendar and later expanded with festivities through to 23 December. The holiday was celebrated with a sacrifice at the Temple of Saturn, in the Roman Forum, and a public banquet, followed by private gift-giving, continual partying, and a carnival atmosphere that overturned Roman social norms: gambling was permitted, and masters provided table service for their slaves. The popularity of Saturnalia continued into the 3rd and 4th centuries AD, and as the Roman Empire came under Christian rule, many of its customs were recast into or at least influenced the seasonal celebrations surrounding Christmas and the New Year.

 

The actual date of Jesus's birth is unknown,but, in the fourth century AD, Pope Julius I (337–352) formalized that it should be celebrated on 25 December, around the same time as the Saturnalia celebrations.[ Some have speculated that part of the reason why he chose this date may have been because he was trying to create a Christian alternative to Saturnalia. Another reason for the decision may have been because, in 274 AD, the Roman emperor Aurelian had declared 25 December the birth date of Sol Invictus and Julius I may have thought that he could attract more converts to Christianity by allowing them to continue to celebrate on the same day

 

 

[willedoo]

Bearing in mind that with the Julian calendar, the December 25th. they refer to is January 7th. in our calendar. That's why the Russians celebrate Christmas on January 7th. as the Orthodox Church uses the Julian calendar.

 

 

[facthunter]

Well that's put an end to the Merry Christmas. if the date isn't agreed on.. The Pope is supposed to be infallible so perhaps he's the fourth God after the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.. or perhaps he just holds the franchise..Nev

 

 

[old man emu]

At the moment, the Gregorian calendar (the one we use for business etc.) is 13 days ahead of the Julian calendar that was introduced by Julius Caesar in 46 BC. By the 40s BC the Roman civic calendar was three months ahead of the solar calendar. Caesar, advised by the Alexandrian astronomer Sosigenes, introduced the Egyptian solar calendar, taking the length of the solar year as 365 1/4 days. Sosigenes had overestimated the length of the year by 11 minutes 14 seconds, and by the mid-1500s the cumulative effect of this error had shifted the dates of the seasons by about 10 days from Caesar’s time. Interestingly, Caesar had his astronomer, start the year on Ist January, the day on which the Consuls took up their office. That is something that Christian Europe has maintained, and has spread to other cultures

 

Pope Gregory XIII’s reform (Gregorian calendar), proclaimed in 1582, restored the calendar to the seasonal dates of 325 CE, an adjustment of 10 days. The Calendar (New Style) Act 1750 (c.23) (also known as Chesterfield's Act after Philip Stanhope, 4th Earl of Chesterfield) was an Act of the Parliament of Great Britain. Chesterfield introduced the Bill into Parliament on 25 February 1751 (1750 Old Style). It was passed by the Commons on 13 May and received royal assent on 27 May 1751.

 

The Act had two parts: first, it reformed the calendar of England and the British Dominions so that the new legal year began on 1 January rather than 25 March (Lady Day); and, second, Great Britain and its Dominions adopted (in effect) the Gregorian calendar, as already used in most of western Europe.