Don't get me wrong here, But I LIKE Donald Trump.

[rgmwa]

Melania won’t be happy with this inconvenient interruption to her social life. 

[red750]

[nomadpete]

The bottom line is....

 

Social media wins elections

[rgmwa]

It’s ironic how all talk of the Democratics cheating snd rigging the election seems to have been suddenly forgotten. I wonder if it might occur to the MAGA crowd that maybe Trump didn’t win in 2020 after all, and that the Democrats were right to say that he was lying to them. Well, they’ve got the leader they wanted, so now the world will have to live with the result. It could get worse. If Trump has a heart attack, which is on the cards in the next four years, we’ll get Vance.

[facthunter]

I expressed the view that He would get back in constantly. It's certainly NOT what I wanted or I would suggest what the world needs. The fact is HE ran a much more successful campaign  convincing people he has previously targeted to TRUST HIM. TRUMP WILL FIX IT Resonated with many. Harris only had 107 days. The Bloke who created Crusty Demons  and who has an enormous reach and approval across the USA  supported him and then there's Elon Musk throwing $! million dollars a day at GOP members. Trump at no stage even mentioned the Republican Party. Like any things with the DON . He USES people. USA doesn't credit WOMEN with ability. and is anti black. There were no White  slaves then. There are desperate people of all colours who clutch at Hope and Trump counted on that. Climate considerations are entirely absent.. The stock market there has already risen sharply. The high Tariffs on Chinese goods will fuel inflation, A problem they already have. 

  WE will be bullied into applying them also.. Trump is nothing IF not a bully and revenge seeker.  Nev

[old man emu]

I was listening to some commentary this morning and what I gleaned from it was that Trump stated about three things that he would concentrate on, and throughout the campaign he stuck to pushing them. Like it or not, he had a stated policy and he did not deviate from it. On the other hand, Harris never seem to have a stated policy. She tried to push concepts but never said how those concepts would be converted for implementation. 

 

Basically you could say that the difference was that Trump employed proven advertising practices which the public was used to, and which concentrated on what was affecting the public in its own domestic situations. Harris' campaign was more 'pie in the sky', and the public wasn't buying her product because it wasn't a solution for their problems.

[facthunter]

There's BIG distrust of ANY Government and Most people are not interested in DETAIL. "Trump WILL FIX IT" is all they need to Hear. Like "GIMME THAT Old time Religion. It's GOOD ENOUGH  for Me. How do I know?. The BIBLE TELLS ME SO.  Nev

[old man emu]

12 minutes ago, facthunter said:

There's BIG distrust of ANY Government and Most people are not interested in DETAIL. "Trump WILL FIX IT" is all they need to Hear. Like "GIMME THAT Old time Religion. It's GOOD ENOUGH  for Me. How do I know?. The BIBLE TELLS ME SO.  Nev

They are all types of advertising slogans. "Make America Great Again" is just another one. How about "It's Time"?

 

It just goes to show that the candidate with the best marketing skills will succeed in modern election campaigns.

 

Australia will be voting in a Federal election next May. The Parties should really be taking heed of the way advertising used in the US election. None of us will give two hoots about name calling and mud slinging if it is used. To harken back to that old TV police show, 'The facts, ma'am. Just the facts.'

[pmccarthy]

I believe that Trump will do a great deal of good for the USA and its allies. Wait and see.

[facthunter]

Don't bother them with facts. They stop listening after a few sentences. The attention Span is just for the moment.  

 Shouldn't we strive for a more educated and thinking  policies and facts based Approach? WE are NOT America and shouldn't take out cues  from there. HOW THEY do things is NOT what WE want.. It's NOT a great Example by any measure to go by if you believe in Democracy . Trump doesn't believe in THAT by the way. HE hasn't mentioned REPUBLICAN PARTY Once.   Nev

[facthunter]

Pmc Trump is an isolationist. He doesn't need Allies. HE is the great Deal maker who likes to deal with Dictators like himself. Less scrutiny.. Trump wouldn't lift a finger to save US unless there was a quid in it.. He couldn't care less IF Eastern Europe went back to the Soviet Union style of life.. World Health Organisation or UN or orderly free trade . is not for him. He'll make AMERICA GRATE again. Musk talks to Putin all the time.. How does that work?.   Nev

[rgmwa]

Trump is only the tip of the iceberg. Just as important are the nutcases like Musk and Kennedy who he wants to promote into key government positions, others like McEntee who want to strip the expertise out of the public service, and the smart schemers who will sit in the background and manipulate Trump to get what they want. 

[Marty_d]

1 hour ago, pmccarthy said:

I believe that Trump will do a great deal of good for the USA and its allies. Wait and see.

The only people Trump likes are billionaires and dictators. He will be led around by the nose by Putin and anyone willing to stroke his massive ego.

The only possible good he could do for the USA is if they realize what a terrible mistake they made in electing him and steer away from criminals in future. Unfortunately, they already knew who he is and STILL elected him, so that seems unlikely.

[rgmwa]

3 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

I believe that Trump will do a great deal of good for the USA and its allies. Wait and see.

I doubt it. The only allies Trump is interested in are those he can rip off or who will pay homage to his greatness. Trump doesn't care about any traditional US allies. He just sees them as free-loaders and a drain on US resources, and has said as much.

[spenaroo]

I dont think this is a Trump victory, its a democrats loss.

 

The best comment i have seen about the results is:

"the democrats failed to realize that women go grocery shopping, far more then they have abortions"

Everyone ive spoken to in the US all say they would rather have the republicans in for their financial management.
they arent Trump fans, but see the republican party as improving the current financial issues in the USA.

Biden is seen as the "does nothing" president, and they want changes made.
 

[facthunter]

The final result is a few % apart. Nearly 1/2 of all voting Americans don't want Trump. Many Republicans don't want a Government of any kind. Many who didn't vote for him wonder IF they will ever be able to vote someone like HIM OUT. to  restore someone who will abide by the rules and established principles in the future..  Nev

[spenaroo]

of the 60% that actually voted

[rgmwa]

48 minutes ago, spenaroo said:

Everyone ive spoken to in the US all say they would rather have the republicans in for their financial management.

The problem with many Americans is that they seem to think the world begins and ends at the US coastline. They don't appear to know that the cost of living went up, and is still up all around the world largely due to Covid and the effects of the war in Ukraine. The cost of groceries and housing is high in most countries. They don't know that they inherited a good financial situation from Obama, nor that Trump piled up the National debt significantly, his trickle-down economics didn't work, and that Biden got inflation down and wages up during his tenure. Now Trump will inherit another good economy, claim it was terrible, and trash it again. He has no chance of bringing the cost of living down with his tariff policies and tax reductions for the wealthy and big business. It's only a matter of time before the people who voted for him finally figure out that Trump can't fix it, although chances are they will accept his excuses again rather than admit they backed a dud horse.

[facthunter]

Imposing large Tariffs on imports he will add to inflation.. He SOLD is as a job keeper.   Nev

[facthunter]

 It's part of his sticking it UP China. USA must be Chief Pooh Ba. Infrastructure in the USA is  run down. Middle class America is in a parlous state. Republicans WANT slave/ cheap Labour to keep the profits for the well off. It's in their DNA. Trump doesn't care about workers once he has their  votes. Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

This seems well thought out, well mostly, anyway: 

 

[old man emu]

Let's look on the bright side. If the World can weather the next four years, we know that Trump can't run again in 2028, if he lives that long. (He'd be 80 and one wonders if his health would allow it.)

 

The question is, what happens if he dies in the next couple of years? What sort of President would Vance be?

 

I think that this time, the Trump Administration will be a bit more professional. It might not be great, but it won't be the mess it was the first time with inexperienced factions trying to gain control over Trump. At least this time he comes into office with a manifesto that his underlings have created. 

[rgmwa]

9 minutes ago, old man emu said:

Let's look on the bright side. If the World can weather the next four years, we know that Trump can't run again in 2028, if he lives that long. (He'd be 80 and one wonders if his health would allow it.)

He'd be 82.

10 minutes ago, old man emu said:

The question is, what happens if he dies in the next couple of years? What sort of President would Vance be?

If his vice-presidential campaign is anything to go by, and given his limited political experience, a younger version of Trump.

12 minutes ago, old man emu said:

I think that this time, the Trump Administration will be a bit more professional. It might not be great, but it won't be the mess it was the first time with inexperienced factions trying to gain control over Trump. At least this time he comes into office with a manifesto that his underlings have created. 

It certainly won't be great. His underlings want to deconstruct the government and its various agencies and create a version they like better headed by a despot.

 

[Marty_d]

I admire anyone who sees any optimism for the Trump administration, that's a seriously impressive feat.  

If you haven't read about Project 25, go check it out.  That's what's going to happen (or at least very much attempt to happen) next.

I don't feel so bad for the American people, they chose this.  If everyone with half a brain had got off their arse and voted it wouldn't have happened.

I do feel so bad for the Ukrainians, I just hope the European countries can up their supply of equipment so the loss of US material doesn't cause their immediate surrender.

Makes me wonder whether NATO will survive in its current form or whether the EU will form a separate security pact without the US.

[nomadpete]

I think that democracy as practiced by the US Democrat Party, was partly ok but overall insipid.

Had Kamala announced a pactical plan to restructure the electoral system and to suspend arms supply to Netanyahu, she would have been seen to offer decisive leadership. That's what the public wanted. But she seemed to offer too much of 'same old'.

 

The next 4 years are bound to see some good come out of the Republicans. But unless Trump makes a total change of behaviour, there will be damaging turmoil too.