Litespeed Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 Trump is not a presidents turd smear. He is a populist dictator who pretends its a democracy. The Republican s have made him immune to the law. He is the most dangerous man in the world today.
facthunter Posted February 9, 2020 Posted February 9, 2020 The democrats go through their primaries and destroy each other while the republicans just sit there and do nothing about their totally out of control weird President and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the most militaristic, most armed country in the world. He behaves like a reincarnation of Idi Armin but without the wordskills. The Trump we get after this next election will be even more emboldened, US only, dictatorial and punishing of those who don't go along with his ways of doing things.. Dog help the World, who don't get the chance to have any say about the Man who will rule the Entire WORLD whether the rest like it or not. .Nev
hihosland Posted February 9, 2020 Posted February 9, 2020 Trump is the master of the put down slogan the "crooked Hillary" line won him many votes as will, I suspect, "do nothing Democrats"
Old Koreelah Posted February 9, 2020 Posted February 9, 2020 Trump is the master of the put down slogan the "crooked Hillary" line won him many votes as will, I suspect, "do nothing Democrats" Why give the grub credit for being master of anything? The depths of his depravity, the shallowness of his character and the thinn-ness (is that actually a word?) of his skin are obvious to anyone with half a brain. His main skill, honed thru decades of lies, broken promises and business failures, is to survive thru manipulation of others: the moneyed elite who benefit from his trade war theatrics and the gullible workers he despises, but to whom he gives false hope. History will remember him as being one of the most successful con artists of all time. Trump's main motivation, besides stoking his massive ego, is petty vindictiveness; to get back at anyone who has criticised him, no matter the cost to little kiddies, the nation and the environment. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/17/trump-administration-school-lunch-michelle-obama-rules-roll-back https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51417722 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/climate/trump-grand-staircase-monument.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-rolling-back-obama-rules/?utm_term=.260139378532 https://www.ecowatch.com/trump-national-monuments-2645060606.html
red750 Posted February 9, 2020 Posted February 9, 2020 Loves putting his name on other peole's property.
Yenn Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 What he really emphasises is the poor quality of voters. He conned them, because they didn't believe anyone could be as he is. We are seeing the same thing here in Australia. The electorate does not stop and think about what is said, it just blindly follows the path set out by the media and their masters. Trump is not the problem, it is the voters and the system. It is worse here in Australia because we have so called compulsory voting, where most people believe they have to vote and do so, even if they are complete morons. Really we don't have compulsory voting, we just have to get our names crossed off on the electoral roll.
Old Koreelah Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 Yenn I'd largely agree, but wait, there's more. In America the Republican Party machine has manipulated who can actually vote. For decades, any demographic which tends to vote Democrat has been targeted. In addition to lots of dirty tricks involving voter registration, drug laws in particular have been used to ensure blacks and Hispanics are far more likely to go to jail than White fellas. Anyone who has been incarcerated can never vote again. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/leaked-audio-trump-adviser-republicans-rely-voter-suppression-justin-clark-2019-12?r=US&IR=T
onetrack Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 Old K - It's not quite correct that anyone in the U.S. who has been incarcerated, can never vote again. In the U.S., as in England, criminals jailed for more than a year cannot vote. It used to be the same here in Australia, but reforms in the late 1990's amended the jail term to 5 years.
Litespeed Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 It all depends on the state in the US, some actively suppress groups from voting even without a record. Tends to be states often referred to as Red States. The whole idea of not been able to vote with a record is wrong and double punishment. And is often used by those in power to crush dissent and make likely candidates ineligible. A very slippery slope.
facthunter Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 Nevermore will the US be able to hold THEIR system as an example to the world.. Being an ally of the US is to get a bad DEAL. The best deals can be done with corrupt Dictators where secrecy and favours are more easily achieved. Nev
old man emu Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 Next time an election comes around, eavesdrop on a few conversations amongst the sort of people whose main interests are not in politics. Time and again you will hear them regurgitate the slogans and media output. Not one of them will add anything to the political discussion, unless it's to denigrate any tax increase, or to laud any pork-barreling statement. As for understanding the differences between the philosophies of the several Parties - you won't get any display of understanding. It's like following a sporting team - come Hell or high water, their favoured team is the best and anything another promotes is called "garbage".
old man emu Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 Nevermore will the US be able to hold THEIR system as an example to the world.. It's beginning to look like anything the US does is worth emulating. For a Nation whose motto is the Christian "In God We Trust", they are the greatest example of ungodly behaviors Mankind has ever seen. For them E pluribus unum – Latin for "Out of many, one" is better expressed as "Bugger the rest, I'm number one". Despite all the Bible-bashing and Hallelujahs, they ignore what is written in the Gospel of Mark Chapter 25, Verses 34 - 40 34 Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?’ 40 And the king will say to them in reply, ‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.’ 41 Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 45 He will answer them, ‘Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.’ The Yanks reject any decent social welfare system as being "Socialist". They have destroyed employment creating activities in their own country so that they can buy raw materials and goods made where workers are paid even less than the minimum $US7.25 per hour in their own country.
Yenn Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 OME you could be in real trouble there. Don't you know quoting the Bible can lead you into trouble. Even if you survive the initial blast of hypocricy, there will be those who want to ensure you cannot earn a living in the future. So sayeth Israel Folau.
willedoo Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 Have been trying to make sense of the U.S. politics and following the Democrat Primaries. It seems to be a strange system compared to ours. In the televised debates, they are all running for the same party but all have totally different agendas. Whereas here, a party will have a set policy platform and take that to the election. I'm not sure about all this Yankee democracy and freedom; I think I'll stick with our little old constitutional monarchy.
old man emu Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 Don't you know quoting the Bible can lead you into trouble. Is it any worse to quote from the Bible than it would be to quote from Socrates, Plato, Aristotle or even Marx or the Buddha? They all presented a philosophy to live by. Leaving the belief or otherwise in a deity aside, most of the teachings of Christ seem to be a rather good philosophy to live by.The Bible bashing Yanks should know Chapter and Verse of the Gospel of Mark, but they don't seem to heed the basic message, which is to be empathetic to others.
hihosland Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 willedoo did say " I think I'll stick with our little old constitutional monarchy. " A sentiment which I totally agree. We do manage to appoint a gov. general without getting (most times) too political. The whole primary election system in the States resolves around who can raise/spend the most dollars in order to game the system. Nothing about the best candidate nor the best, or most suitable, policies. a most divided nation. I was there my wife and I the only non US citizens in a tour bus for weeks during the last mid term elections. The bus was split into two vociferous camps. The contributions of each being confined to denigrating the other side.
old man emu Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 I think I'll stick with our little old constitutional monarchy. Or, after Elizabeth passes on, a republican constitution, little changed from our present one, but with an apolitical Head of State elected by the people. Most of our recent Governors-General have been fine people who have carried out the psuedo Head of State role with distinction. They were suggested to the Monarch by the Prime Minister, so we could establish a system to select candidates from amongst us.
willedoo Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 ome, that's where the sticking point has been in the past; a President elected by the people. Some say it's hard for a popularly elected President to stay apolitical as they've been given a public mandate. It would also be a tricky one for Parliament to remove a President if he's been elected by the people. Unless there were some strict constitutional laws set out, it could lend itself to having an interventionist U.S. style President who could claim the vote of the people. The Howard referendum model was a President appointed by Parliament in a way that was not partisan. Little Johnny was having a bob each way on that. In that proposal, the Prime Minister could sack the President at short notice pending a vote in Parliament. Even if Parliament voted to keep him, the PM could still sack him anyway. Gough would have got a chuckle out of that one.
facthunter Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 How can anyone "justify" being placed in Parliament by right of birth? As has been the case. Some Kings are idiots. "In breeding" doesn't help either. Nev
willedoo Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 Nev, I don't think they're in Parliament. I think the Queen opens the British Parliament, but is she a member of it? I thought they sorted all that out with the Cromwell, Charles 1 issue. The part I like about our system over the British model is that here you don't have to be a Lord to sit in the Senate. One advantage of Australia being late for the republic party is that we've had plenty of time to study the many bad and few good variants of a republican system. So hopefully when we do it, we'll get it somewhere near right.
hihosland Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 A popularly elected president cannot but be political. If an election is essential then present to the populace a short list selected by an electral college comprised of parlimentarians and citizens of rank ( not sure how to select them!!) with a small sample of exceptions our current system of selecting/appointing gov general has worked very well. Why not a president the same way?
willedoo Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 with a small sample of exceptions our current system of selecting/appointing gov general has worked very well. Why not a president the same way? It would have to be a little bit different as the GG is appointed by the Queen on the advice of the Prime Minister. No Queen or King in a Republic, so it would have to be changed from the current system of GG appointments.
willedoo Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 One option is to have something like a politician/citizen group advisory body short list candidates by whatever system was fair, as mentioned above by hihosland. Then hold a non binding voluntary public plebiscite with the highest scoring candidate put up for final vote by a two thirds majority of both houses of Parliament passing it. That way we get the candidate preferred by the public, but appointed by Parliament to ensure we don't get an Australian Trump.
Litespeed Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 Given what is happening on Parliament at present- we need to rethink this.. The current government have clearly no respect for the people, the law or any transparency. They do respect their mates, as long as they get a big favour- the money can flow. Over half a billion in rorts in the election year and much more hidden. AFP have shown themselves completely captive to the LNP- did not even look into Taylor affair of fraud documents to influence a government (Sydney Council). Just said its a waste of time. Corrupting the entire gov process is a waste of time to investigate- says it all really. ScoMo refuses to answer any questions, makes sure documents are never released or redacted. We are not a democracy at all. Much more important than getting a president. We are now part of the rogue 3. USA, UK and Australia. Rule of law is for others, rule of greed is the new normal.
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