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Interesting comment on Facebook...   "I'm surprised he didn't pretend to be dead for three days & then rise again."

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It's photoshopped, but a good one. The image of Hitler is correct, someone has added the woman, bending over and holding him.

 

These genuine photos offer a good un-photoshopped comparison.

 

The Weaponization of National Belonging, from Nazi Germany to Trump | The New Yorker

 

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I'm not saying you are wrong, we had similar thoughts, too. I copied the Hitler half and did a Google image search and it came up twice, on different X accounts, so who knows.

 

Your photo of Adolf has him looking somewhat in the direction of the camera, while the other image has him looking more to the right (his left), with his mouth wide open.

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12 hours ago, old man emu said:

I don't see the English matters being related to the political situation in the USA. What's happening in England seems to be the result of of a common frustration being felt all over Western Europe due to the opening of the borders to African and Middle Eastern refugees, and the taxpayers' money that is being directed towards the support of refugees. 

 

The anarchy I fear from the USA election comes from the global economic effects of civil unrest there. Remember how the World suffered because of the meltdown of the USA stock market that resulted in the Great Depression. In 2023 the USA was the largest foreign investor in Australia at 25% of all investment. China only contributes 1.9% to the total.

https://www.dfat.gov.au/trade/trade-and-investment-data-information-and-publications/foreign-investment-statistics/statistics-on-who-invests-in-australia

There are two issues here. One is the anarchy itself and the other is the ramifications of it occurring at different places. As has been discussed, the root cause of the anarchy looks to be the same - more or less - wherever it is. A lot are saying social media, but lets not forget, there seems to be less integrity in the MSM as well, and it too is becoming more polarising  - just look at Sky Media in Australia. But also look at the reluctance of MSM to put both sides of an argument forward in the same article or segment - it removes the balance that was once there. Coupled with a weak regulation and toothless regulator, the MSM, which is already the 4th pillar of government, is now both unelected and unaccountable, yet it (along with social media) arguable has more influence on the electorate than the other three organs of government (legislature, executive, and judiciary). 

 

And, both are easy targets for manipulation: Russia is primarily accused of manipulating social media to disrupt the west; and commercial interest manipulate commercial MSM to ensure their message is heard.

 

I will give you an example - the middle east and African refugees - the boat people - are blamed in all of the problems of lack of infrastructure, etc and this is backed up by the MSM as well as the conservative pollies, and the like. They are also pedalled as illegal immigrants, though 75% of them claim asylum and are therefore legal under both the refugee conventions and British law, which has fully adopted the refugee convention (note, this is a choice of the legislature, not some magical obligation thrust on the UK). Also, we didn't have boat people until the Conservative government of the day blocked all other routes for them to some in. OK.. So, they are alleged to be illegal immigrants, of which they aren't until their asylum applications are processed and denied. The vast majority of asylum applications are approved. Therefore the vast majority are legal immigrants, but no one states this, and hatred is being wrought onto them because they are asserted by government and backed up by MSM as illegal immigrants. So, to make things look worse, the government cuts the processing staff, so they have to wait years and then complain there are too many of them to process and they are coming in waves, and I quote Suella Braverman, as coming.. "in their millions", which again the commercial MSM (except the Guardian) ran with,, and suddenly xenophobia runs riot. 

 

Then, there are so many of them, that they take all the services, etc. Even my partner believes this BS. The reality is, in 2023, the refugees coming across the border by boat (because the government blocked all other means to make it safe, and the UK takes the kittens' share of them into Europe). How many came across in 2023? 29,000 (https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/people-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/), Net migration to the UK was high in 2023, at 685,000, but because the majority of those don't suit the racial profile that is easy to blame, nout got mentioned about that in the press with anywhere near the same gusto. So, less than 5% of the migration are refugees and yet the conservative pollies and mainly right-wing led press are crying into their beers about the dire situation they cause - not to mention the amount of money wasted on the Rwanda scheme  - which went to bent Rwanda pollies - not to the refguees. 

 

This same masking and obfuscation of facts coupled with downright lies, which both social media and most of the commercial MSM pedal has parallels to that in the USA. Also, the divide between social classes (mainly on income) creates the seeds of hate, that are sown with the lies and deceit. 

 

Yes, there were dumb moves - allowing 1m refugees into Germany almost at once was yet another masterstroke of dumbness by Merkel and her team. But also, the expansion of the EU to include many Eastern European counties at once was another - I am only speaking with respect to the UK, but the conservative government knew it was coming for years, and IMHO, were not doing  anything about infrastructure or facilities in the many years they had to plan for it, despite receiving EU funds, so that the influx of people would result in services being burst at their seams., increasing the resentment of the EU, to facilitate Britain's ultimate exit, which is what they wanted all along. 

 

My favourite charade played by the MSM is the current controversy around the European Convention of Human Rights. They decry the ECHR takes our sovereignty away like the mad bible bashers on their soap boxes in the middle of the city. They don't state the facts - it is a convention and we can be a signatory but that does not by itself bind us to it. Like every country, it has to be given effect by local laws. And the law that does it here is the Human Rights Act `1998. That acr provides basically three things.. For legislation enacted before the 1998 Act came into force, in the absence of express contrary wording, legislation must be interpreted to be consistent with the ECHR; If, after the introduction of the act, legislation is passed that is inconsistent with the act, the the degree in which it is inconsistent, the act does not apply; and 3) unless at the time of introducing the act, the secretary of state (minister) or, the submitter for a private members bill simply makes a declaration that the bill is not consistent with the ECHR, and hey presto - the UK has absolute sovereignty over its laws and the impact of the ECHR. 

 

The Rwanda scheme, though being depicted by Labour as incompetence by the conservatives of the highest level is another great example of this deception. Following Australia's lead, the Conservatives made a deal with Rwanda (that even their own Home Office assessment determined was a poor choice to the the sudden crease in life expectancy refugees would have once reaching Rwanda) lawyers took the first deportations to the Supreme Court (sort of our High Court - House of Lords no longer hears cases, except for commonwealth territories constitutional issues). As expected, the courts struck it down because it was inconsistent with the ECHR and the laws did not have the requisite declaration, The Conservatives piled on about how we have to lave the ECHR as we need to take our sovereignty back and the commercial MSM were largely as vociferous as the pollies about it. Now, we have the vast swathe of, let's face it, the majority who don't know what they are talking about, calling for the UK to leave the one remaining independent institution that just may save their bacon. Labour are too stupid or worried about the electoral backlash to call it out. 

 

But, why are so many people so aggrieved that they fall for the BS? Easy - degrade the services, keep the poverty lines drawn, ensure minimal education,  and all of a sudden, there is a rise in the right wing nutters blaming everyone for their malaise, and they may be right, though. The answer to this, even in the progressive press, is to marginalise them - that can't help. Look at the rise of extreme right wing groups in Aus and The Age/SMH & Huffpost response.. "Oh, they are usually poor on the social-economic scale and alienated - so leave them left out by society and ignore them.. which cannot be the right approach. 

 

I could go on, but have things to do.

 

Yes, the anarchy in the UK will largely have an economic effect, and maybe China will have a crack at Taiwan; the anarchy in Europe will be far wider reaching on a humanitarian basis - world wars tend to start there.

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14 hours ago, nomadpete said:

But you don't even have a trump over there!

 

No, but we have worse.  BoJo is also a narcissist, but thankfully and much more relatable than Trump is to the common man. And, although like Trump, will say and do anything to get into power, seemed to have a smidgeon more scruples once he was in. However, we have someone far more pernicious than Trump, IMHO, and that is Farage. Farage is smarter than Trump and a very skilled public orator. He has a knack of stating the ridiculous adeptly and making it plausible. He has been blaming the boat people and lack of police transparency on the riots, yet when you listen to the residents that suffer the riots, it is clear without any dissenting voices of those who actually live through it, is it has nothing to do with the three slain girls; it is sheer thuggery driven by hatred. 

 

His ability to normalise what really shouldn't be makes him far more dangerous than Trump. He has been described as an MP representing the English Defence League and I would think that Reform UK - the party he helped found, is akin to Sinn Fein in being the political wing of what is effectively a terrorist organisation. Thank dog he can't be president of the USA. 

 

Then in the EU you have the likes of Orban - who are Russiaphiles and the EU has taken little real action over his abuse of the electoral system and political rights - actual democracy is a condition of ongoing membership of the EU, and again, that organisation has found wanting when it needs courage. He is another Trumpian type. 

 

We have plenty more.... 

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Well done, that man! Two really great posts there, Jerry.

 

Just an aside, and not to drift away from Jerry's informative post, his statement that Russia is primarily accused of manipulating social media to disrupt the west, is the cause of all that happens in that book by Ben Elton that I have mentioned. In the book the thing being manipulated was the whole gender identity thing with cis, trans, LGBTQ+ and religion -v- homosexuality.

 

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The funny thing is the video is not meant to be a satire of Trump. If you view it on Youtube you can see the bloke is a dedicated Trump/MAGA supporter. Reading through the squillion pro Trump comments below the video, quite a few of them have that Russian bot feel about them as well. I'd think it was a given that the Kremlin bots give any pro Trump channels a lot of attention.

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They make a good pair - erratic, chaotic decision making, reversing direction on a whim, self-aggrandising, belittling anyone who disagrees with their opinion.

 

They must be complete ar$eholes to work under. Previous Trump Presidency administration staff still talk about how Trumps former Presidential period, was one chaotic day after another.

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