Don't get me wrong here, But I LIKE Donald Trump.

[octave]

15 minutes ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

In fact, according to his niece's book, probably like most maniacs, there is a story hehind it that provides at least an understanding of why he is the way he is.

 

I am just reading this book at the moment, it sure does explain a  lot.

[facthunter]

IF "HE" dies it will be God's will. After all it was the will of God that put him there. (or is that expecting too much consistency).  Nev

[old man emu]

If he does die, won't that throw the whole election process into disarray? So many thousands have already cast their votes. Many of them would have had to be Trump supporters, one would think. Do those Trump supporters want Pence as President? Will the whole election for President have to be postponed to allow Trump's mob to put up another candidate? If not, and Biden is unopposed, what civil unrest will that  cause?

 

We hear all about Trump and Biden as the candidates from the major two parties, but what about Jo Jorgensen and Howie Hawkins?

 

Jo Jorgensen is the Libertarian Party's nominee. She is an activist and psychology lecturer at Clemson University. A longtime Libertarian, she was previously Harry Browne's running mate on the party's 1996 ticket. Like many of her fellow party members, she believes in individuals' free rights and reducing the government's role in day-to-day life. (For example, she doesn't think the government should mandate mask-wearing or other restrictions during a pandemic.)

 

Hawkins in the Green Party's presidential nominee. A former construction worker and UPS staffer, Hawkins has been involved with the party's politics for decades, and even attended the party's first national meeting in 1984, according to his campaign website. Recently, he's run three unsuccessful campaigns to unseat New York Governor Andrew Cuomo as a Green Party candidate. (He won 1.7% of the vote in 2018.). A longtime labor activist, socialist, and environmentalist, his platform champions Medicare for All and the Green New Deal.

Angela Walker, an activist and organizer, will be Hawkins's running mate. She describes herself as "a Fred Hampton, Assata Shakur socialist" on the campaign's site.

 

 

[onetrack]

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Why couldn't the Democrats have chosen their candidate from a younger pool?

 

Many years ago, I was raising this very same aspect that occurs within our own political classes, to a farmer client. The fact that very few politicians were under the age of 40.

 

His sharp response? - "The reason why they mostly don't become politicians before they're 40, is because you don't learn to lie properly, until you're 40!!"   

 

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My sympathy goes out to a innocent virus condemned to a struggle for survival within such a hostile host.

 

Shouldn't you have worded that line, as ... "struggle for survival within such a toxic host"?   

 

Edited October 3, 2020 by onetrack

[red750]

[red750]

The arrogance of this guy. "Hello folks, this is your favorite President." Him getting the virus was "a blessing, a gift" to prove it wasn't so bad and everyone can get back to work. Well not everyone - not the nearly 200,000 who have died from it. And with about 20 White House staff positive, not to mention a number at the Pentagon, he's back in the Oval Office.

 

I like Colbert's comment on Mike Pence in the VP debate - "He's so full of shit, flies are landing on him."

[Bruce Tuncks]

My money is on Biden winning. The polls have put him ahead, and now the bookies are too.

The press contributed to Trump's freak win last time by instilling a false sense of confidence in Hillary voters and this made it easy for them to stay at home. In the US, voting is made purposely difficult and you may have to queue up for hours.

This time, the press are trying hard to avoid that same mistake and so we see Trump's chances blown up out of proportion.

The other thing is that lots of ethnics couldn't bring themselves to vote for a woman, on account of coming from cultures that bash their women. Non-white actually outnumber whites in the USA but my guess is that a lot fewer of them vote.

And a lot of traditional women are secretly hostile to high-flying women, I know my mother was, but you would never have known this from a non-secret poll.

Even so, Hillary got more votes than Trump did.

Surely those who voted for Trump  find his behaviour difficult to defend?

So I'm expecting a Trump loss, and I think it will be so big that even his stacked court will not be able to overturn it.

[onetrack]

I'm not so sure that rusted-on Trump voters see him for what he really is - a next-level narcissist and BS-artist. They think he can do no wrong.

There are any number of Americans who suffer from extreme paranoia, believe in every wild conspiracy theory, have poor judgement, and who can explain every level of idiocy away, by stating "it's God's will" or "God works in mysterious ways".

I'm personally of the opinion that a large number of Americans are brain damaged from excessive lead and chemical levels in their bodies, similar to the Romans problems.

 

The Romans got their brain damage from lead piping, the Americans get theirs from the amount of lead in their environment, from the millions of rounds of lead ammo expended daily, in their gun-obsessed society.

In addition, the level of lead in their environment from lead additives in fuels over 50 or more years, must have created major physiological problems in the nation.

Studies have shown that the 1976 lead-levels in the blood of Americans, is now officially rated today as lead-poisoning of the body, based on current lead-level limits.

 

https://lead.org.au/Chronology-Making_Leaded_Petrol_History.pdf

[Yenn]

Are they brain damaged or just stupid. I met a few of them years ago when Reagan was running for the job and the young ones seemed sensible, but those of my age were locked on USA first and all others don't matter. In their opinion the USA was the saviour of the world and anyone who disagreed was an enemy. Rather what we are seeing now with the GOP.

[old man emu]

36 minutes ago, Yenn said:

In their opinion the USA was the saviour of the world and anyone who disagreed was an enemy

That shows how well the propaganda was delivered to the people of the USA. It reinforced their "In God We Trust" and Calvinistic outlook on the world. The propaganda didn't require a reversal of their morality as the Nazi, and Communist propaganda did, so it was easy to swallow.

[onetrack]

Their education system beats into them that they are living in the greatest nation on the Planet, and that they have constantly worship the God in which they officially Trust, because he has made the U.S. the leader of the Free World.

 

Unfortunately, Americans worship Money, Power/Status, Guns, and God in that order, with many Americans actually quite Godless - until it suits them to call themselves, God-worshipping, true believers.

[Yenn]

They are quick to show how they adore god, when they are standing for election and in the same way, they applaud their military, just so some of the kudos falls on them.

In Trumps case he has no idea about the military. As commander in chief he salutes while not wearing a hat. Hasn't heard of the correct way to return a salute if you are hatless.

Edited October 10, 2020 by Yenn

[Marty_d]

Had to laugh today.

 

Trump was talking about his Covid experience.  He said "I didn't feel like the President of the US".

 

I thought "Jeez, it's only taken you 4 years to realise that??"

[old man emu]

Can anyone who has lived through the last six months really believe that Trump tested positive for COVID? Three days in hospital; a couple of jabs with an unevaluated concoction, and he's out and about, all 74 years and excess poundage of him.

 

here's one thing that you can't take away from him - his entry in the pages of US history as the most un-Presidential President so far.

[spacesailor]

I thought that record was Ronald Regan's .

I believe he has shares in the company and is touting those shares up .

spacesailor

Edited October 10, 2020 by spacesailor

[red750]

The most delusional president in US history. He claimed today that he was "Young and in perfect health." Uh?

 

I'm waiting for him to crash and burn.

[pmccarthy]

He is not the first world leader to be a narcissistic nut job. Many are quite successful in ruling for decades. The only difference with Trump is modern media coverage. 

[Old Koreelah]

Today Australia tends to adopt so much of American culture (including the worst of it) but not so long ago the world was strongly influenced by this nation’s social innovations.

 

Predictably, some Americans resisted adopting “the Australian Ballot”:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-11/us-election-voting-changed-by-secret-australian-ballot-history/12726686

[old man emu]

I was wondering which is better - making voting compulsory, or letting people not vote if they didn't want to.

 

Making voting compulsory doesn't mean that a person has to actually support any candidate. As long as a person attend a polling place and has that attendance recorded, they have complied with the law. The person can take a ballot sheet and either make a choice, or leave it blank. As lone as the number of ballot sheets in the boxes equals the number of names crossed off the voter list, all is OK.

 

The problem with non-compulsory voting is, as happened in 2016, supporters of a candidate believe that their favoured candidate is a shoe-in, so they don't cast a vote, letting the more determined supporters of an underdog win the election.

 

If I was involved in running a campaign in the USA, I would make an ad showing all the war cemeteries around the world where US military are buried. The caption would be

"They gave their lives for your right to vote - use it". 

[kgwilson]

Personally I think making voting compulsory is undemocratic. Why force people to go to a voting place & then they just put in a blank sheet or spoil the paper. It would never work in the US. They have this idea of freedom that even a health pandemic can't deal with so some consider it their right not to comply or wear masks and also their right to pass on whatever they have to anyone else. Voting is not compulsory in NZ but they regularly get very high voter turnouts. I think it comes down to social responsibility. There is very little of that in the US. Each state has a different voter registration system and eligibility is a major issue as in most cases you have to have resided at the same address for a year to register so it works against the young, the less well off and the black population.

[old man emu]

It is the exercise of my democratic right to mark a ballot paper in any way that I wish. I can vote Conservative, Socialist or anything in between. A blank ballot is also a legal option. If I vote and my choice doesn't win, then I can whinge all I like until the next election. Likewise, if my choice wins, I can strut around like a cock-o'-the-walk until the next election. If I don't vote, I am bound to shut up and cop it sweet.

 

I thought of another caption for my "Go Vote!" ad. - 

 

"They left home to fight for your Right to vote. You leave home and exercise it."

[willedoo]

Trump missed out on this year's Nobel Peace Prize but he's been nominated again for 2021.The nomination was put forward by Laura Huhtasaari, a Finnish member of the European Parliament.

 

A Trump peace prize would be “in recognition of his endeavors to end the era of endless wars, construct peace by encouraging conflicting parties for dialogue and negotiations, as well as underpin internal cohesion and stability of his country", according to the nomination letter written by Huhtasaari.

 

"President Trump has served almost a complete presidential term without starting a new war. This would be the first time for almost four decades, when the President of the United States of America has served a term without engaging his country to new conflicts. Moreover, he has fulfilled his previous campaign pledge by withdrawing thousands of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan", Huhtasaari asserted.

 

“It is hard to imagine a president of the United States from the last decades, or a current head of state, who would deserve more the Committee’s recognition in 2021 than President Trump for his efforts to build peace in the world,” Huhtasaari wrote.

 

The four decades would be in reference to Jimmy Carter who was proud of the fact that during his four years as President, not one U.S. bomb was dropped on another country. Almost unthinkable these days.

[old man emu]

That will probably be Trumps "legacy" - the "No New Foreign War" President. Internal conflicts don't count. 

 

Have US troops really been brought home in large numbers?

[willedoo]

1 hour ago, willedoo said:

as well as underpin internal cohesion and stability of his country"

I don't think this part of the nomination could be taken seriously.

 

As far as his legacy goes, I think some of it will depend on how much hold the warmongers have over Joe Biden if he wins. If the U.S. rachets up the war machine under Biden, then comparatively Trump's legacy will be that, for all his faults, he at least tried to tone down U.S. warmongering. On the other hand, if the Democrats do a term or two without blowing too many people up, that would dilute trump's legacy.

Edited October 11, 2020 by willedoo

[Old Koreelah]

1 hour ago, willedoo said:

 ...his endeavors to end the era of endless wars, construct peace by encouraging conflicting parties for dialogue and negotiations...

I suspect that history will show that Trump’s recent “triumphs of diplomacy”, particularly Israel-Arab agreements, are less to do with peace than making money.

 

1 hour ago, willedoo said:

...as well as underpin internal cohesion and stability of his country", according to the nomination letter written by Huhtasaari...

Either colossal ignorance, or written by Trump himself.