The climate change debate continues.

[old man emu]

There are quite a number of videos of this type. Here's one involving sand casting water pump housings. Molten metal, sandals and even bare feet. Not a stitch of suitable protective clothing. This is what you get when the value of human life is so low.

 

 

[nomadpete]

5 minutes ago, old man emu said:

This is what you get when the value of human life is so low.

Desperation and hunger does this

[old man emu]

One can only say that their efforts do add to the recycling of the First World's waste. However, the energy inputs and pollutant outputs make it questionable if the efforts are of benefit to all of humanity.

 

And next time you dump a computer or other electronic device, think of this:

 

[nomadpete]

3 hours ago, old man emu said:

One can only say that their efforts do add to the recycling of the First World's waste. However, the energy inputs and pollutant outputs make it questionable if the efforts are of benefit to all of humanity.

 

And next time you dump a computer or other electronic device, think of this:

 

OME it is more likely our recycling waste that they are using.

If we dealt with our own waste here, it would be far more kind to the planet.

[nomadpete]

3 hours ago, old man emu said:

One can only say that their efforts do add to the recycling of the First World's waste. However, the energy inputs and pollutant outputs make it questionable if the efforts are of benefit to all of humanity.

 

And next time you dump a computer or other electronic device, think of this:

 

I have seen an Australian  scrap metal yard stripping circuit boards out of computers - back in the 1990's. I quizzed the bloke and although he didn't go into detail,  he did tell me  what quantity of precious metal was recoverable. He wasn't sending it overseas at the time either.

[old man emu]

The Albanese Government has just announced that it won't be introducing a $4.00 per tonne export fee on our rubbish going overseas. It will still require exporters to purchase a permit to export.

 

I think that the Environmentalist lobby would gain more support from the Silent Majority if it backed off calling for a headlong rush into EVs and called on the government to promote the production of usable products from what we are diligently putting into our yellow-lidded bins. Afterall, we are paying for all the packaging around the crap that we are importing.

 

Obviously recycling need an energy source. That's a good use for renewables of which most people would approve. 

[pmccarthy]

I nearly hijacked OME's blog to respond to a highjacked theme, but I will continue here. This is the difference between prediction and actual events.

 

Is the number of global natural disasters increasing? Gianluca Alimonti &Luigi Mariani

ABSTRACT

We analyze temporal trends in the number of natural disasters reported since 1900 in the Emergency Events Database (EM-DAT) from the Center for Research on the Epidemiology of Disasters (CRED). Visual inspection suggests three distinct phases: first, a linear upward trend to around mid-century followed by rapid growth to the turn of the new century, and thereafter a decreasing trend to 2022. These observations are supported by piecewise regression analyses that identify three breakpoints (1922, 1975, 2002), with the most recent subperiod 2002–2022 characterized by a significant decline in number of events. A similar pattern over time is exhibited by contemporaneous number of geophysical disasters – volcanoes, earthquakes, dry landslides – which, by their nature, are not significantly influenced by climate or anthropogenic factors. We conclude that the patterns observed are largely attributable to progressively better reporting of natural disaster events, with the EM-DAT dataset now regarded as relatively complete since ∼2000. The above result sits in marked contradiction to earlier analyses by two UN bodies (FAO and UNDRR), which predicts an increasing number of natural disasters and impacts in concert with global warming. Our analyses strongly refute this assertion as well as extrapolations published by UNDRR based on this claim.

See Is the number of global natural disasters increasing?: Environmental Hazards: Vol 23 , No 2 - Get Access (tandfonline.com)

 

 

[old man emu]

2 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

We conclude that the patterns observed are largely attributable to progressively better reporting of natural disaster events,

That statement can be applied to many sets of collected data. Just think of the recorded data relating to sex crimes. If the statement is correct, then it infers that more people are making reports, not that these offences are more prevalent than in the past. But there is a caveat to talking about comparing old data with recent: you have to use a common denominator as in "incidents per 100,000 of population". If you don't, then you will see changes in the number of incidents, but any comparison is flawed. 

[facthunter]

Volcanoes earthquakes etc have nothing whatever to do with anthropomorphic climate change but volcanoes can affect climate because they put things into the atmosphere.. The sea is getting warmer and more acid. Glaciers are dwindling and ice on the Himalayas is  rapidly diminishing. This area has long been referred to as the "3rd Pole. Ice and snow reflect sunlight better than water or land. Permafros is melting releasing methane. Where are  any good signs?   Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

4 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

These extremes have been with us forever. There is zero evidence (as opposed to speculation) that the frequency or intensity of events has changed. Thanks for calling me a denier, that is the usual defence of the doomsayers.

I repeat - analysis of such events does not show a statistically valid trend.

 

Yeah, like every time you put up the evidence ususally from right wing or vested interest backed sources, and we counter with evidence from the likes of reputable agencies such as, oh, I dunno, NASA, CSIRO, and the likes. True denier stuff, if you ask me,

 

[Edit] Moved from OME's Renno Blog

 

 

Edited June 21 by Jerry_Atrick

[facthunter]

Where are the Glaciers not receding??   Nev

[spacesailor]

Those  ' glacier's ' of 50 million years ago had people 

Praying to their " idol's " of all persuasions to

" let the sun shine ".

Then " snowball Earth " got warmer ,& the people

( of Old ) were pleased , and gave thanks .

spacesailor

[Litespeed]

Spacey,

 

You think humans were around 50 million years ago?

 

Did they just leave? Were they Spaced out?

 

Your drugs must be better than mine.

[pmccarthy]

I don't know about anyone else, but I think Keith Richards was there.

[spacesailor]

you're right ! .

It was 50 Billion years in the Proterzoic age .

first proposed by an American, 

now backed by   sciencetific evidence.

Britannica Encyclopaedia.  And Wikipedia,  have articles  on it , & so have many other institutions. 

spacesailor

 PS : just before the " DreamTime " .

 

 

 

[octave]

4 minutes ago, spacesailor said:

It was 50 Billion years in the Proterzoic age .

Billion?   the universe is only 4.5 billion years old.

[old man emu]

8 minutes ago, octave said:

Billion?   the universe is only 4.5 billion years old.

No. The Solar system is 4.8 billion years. Big Bang about 13.4 billion, but there is some thought now that it might have been twice as long ago.

[spacesailor]

Please check and refute my dates .

From those quoted sites .

if they are wrong !.

Please correct THEM .

spacesailor

pS : National Science,  has 760 m y. on it's Articles. 

The Proterzoic age . 2.5 B , ending  541 M years

[octave]

13 minutes ago, old man emu said:

No. The Solar system is 4.8 billion years. Big Bang about 13.4 billion, but there is some thought now that it might have been twice as long ago.

13 minutes ago, old man emu said:

 

Yes quite correct,    Posted in haste I meant the Earth. Certainly not 50 billion.

[octave]

10 minutes ago, spacesailor said:

Please check and refute my dates .

From those quoted sites .

if they are wrong !.

Please correct THEM .

spacesailor

pS : National Science,  has 760 m y. on it's Articles. 

The Proterzoic age . 2.5 B , ending  541 M years

Spacey can you post an actual link.

 

33 minutes ago, spacesailor said:

was 50 Billion years in the Proterzoic age .

This was the figure in question.  No drama though. I thought perhaps a typo

[facthunter]

AND spoil the story?  Anyhow the BIBLE has the answer. ALL done in 6 days and if you contradict that , You'll be sorry.  Dog  Allbitey will get you.  Nev

[old man emu]

The Proterozoic  is the third of the four geologic eons of Earth's history, spanning the time interval from 2.5 billion to 538.8 M years ago. It is preceded by the Archean from 4.031 billion to 2.5 billion.

 

Mammalian evolution started in the Age of Dinosaurs, but those early ones were pretty insignificant due to their small size. Following the extinction of the dinosaurs, these early, little mammals had a pretty free rein to evolve. Our mob, the hominins, were pretty late on the scene with the earliest examples dating from 2 million year ago. Hominins are all modern and extinct humans and their immediate ancestors, classified in the tribe Hominini. The great apes and other primates are in their own tribes.

[facthunter]

An analysis of what genes are shared  in creatures DNA might throw some extra light on such matters. I started life in the Plasticene era in the early days of WW2. Nev

[old man emu]

What memories a whiff of a piece of plasticine would bring back!  Play-Doh just didn't cut it.

 

The material was originally created in Germany in 1880 as a non-drying modelling clay for sculptors. That version is still sold nowadays under the name "Münchner Künstler Plastilin" (Munich artists' Plastilin). William Harbutt, an art teacher in Bath, England, formulated Plasticine in 1897, and his product name is now used as a generic name for non-drying modelling clay.

 

While we think of plasticine as a child's toy, it is a boon to many adults. We wouldn't have Wallace & Grommet without it. Plasticine is used in long jump and triple jump competitions to help officials determine if the competitors are making legal jumps. A 10-centimetre-wide (3.9 in) 'indicator board' is placed beyond and slightly above the take-off line. The edges of this are chamfered and edged with plasticine. If an athlete leaves a mark in the plasticine, it is considered proof that the jump was a foul, and the attempt is not measured.

 

And it was a life saver in WWII.  Plasticine was used by bomb disposal officer Major John P. Hudson R.E. as part of the defusing process for the new German "Type Y" battery-powered bomb fuse. The "Type Y" fuse has an anti-disturbance device that had to be disabled before the fuse could be removed. Plasticine was used to build a dam around the head of the fuse to hold some liquid oxygen. The liquid oxygen cooled the battery down to a temperature at which it would no longer function; with the battery out of commission, the fuse could be removed safely.

[spacesailor]

I made " molds " out of plasticine to cold mold epoxy bits . Now it's done by printing them.

spacesailor