The climate change debate continues.

[facthunter]

There's NO F in Onions either. . Nev

[spacesailor]

" A I solving unforeseen problems ".

AI will solve those problems .

the same way , management has done it .

" problem , what problem . I see no problem " .

AI will need no 'air' or ' food ' .

When it is the dominant species of Earth .

spacesailor

 

[nomadpete]

Yes it might end badly if A.I. is relied upon to solve big issues such as climate changes.... if it prioitises its own immediate climate requirements above human requirements.

 

Big business and politicians are alreadly leaning that way.

[old man emu]

What gets me is the humanity has progressed very often because someone had an idea that everyone at the time thought was weird, but the original thinker pressed on and found supporters. From what it see, AI merely accesses the store of Human knowledge and what that knowledge has produced, then shuffles it around to produce something that resembles a result. It lacks the spark on Inspiration that can set the world on fire.

[nomadpete]

1 minute ago, old man emu said:

It lacks the spark on Inspiration that can set the world on fire.

I'd say that about a lot of recent human activity.

 

Nothing recent can match the imagination of authors like Jules Vern, Arthur Clark, etc. All recent stories are simplistic rehashes of themes that were imagined centuries ago.

 

 

[nomadpete]

Thinking of

 

"

In The Year 2889

by Jules Verne

 

Where he imagines a life unbelievable when he wrote it in 1889, but we live it today. Except he predicted England to become a State of USofA. But he did write it for an American newspaper, so I forgive that.

[facthunter]

We are here because Our Ancestors successfully copulated. .  Nev

[old man emu]

Do you mean that I'm the result of a fvck up?

[facthunter]

I think you can assume your father stuck up for you early in the piece. Nev

[Marty_d]

Your mum took seriously something that was poked at her in fun.

[red750]

The deluge has hit.Stawell gift suspended earlier, now footy at the G delayed.

[facthunter]

Someone took Vincent's with confidence and is Now looking for Vincent.'

   Hostess on PA. "Would the supernumerary crew Member you gave me the Crabs at Mt ISA please make themself known  to Me after we land at Emerald.  to make  further arrangements.

   This drew some comments from the PAx who didn't know they used to keep them cold in the galley  till they could be put in a belly locker that wasn't heated. Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

19 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

Extent of winter sea ice in the Arctic has been stable for the last 20 years.

That looks like a downward trend to me. Also it seems to be comparing a monhly trend v a longe term annual trend, which distorts the linea trajectory of a (graph) surface. You would have to compae either the same month per years, or the annual average per year/s.

 

I prefer a more comprehensive Apples v apples comparison like this one: https://www.eea.europa.eu/en/analysis/indicators/arctic-and-baltic-sea-ice. Importantly, as sea ice reflects the suns rays back into space and acts as a reflector, the sea-ice reduction in summer per decate is c. 12.8%...

 

NASA comes in for a September annual comparison, with a decade decline of a more conservative 12.2% on average isnce 1980.

 

You can deny all you like, but the numbers are there. If you love your kids and grandkids and further generations and you want them to life in a (relatively) safe world, you'd want to do something about it.

 

BTW, CERN, a nuclear physics research institure recognise it, and are trying to drop their emissions by 28%. I live next to the Royal College of Surgeon's (UK) chair on climate change.. the stuff he can quote chapter and verse scares me. All fact and data driven.

 

[facthunter]

It won't worry the ROCKS that much. . Any farmer whose had his place for long knows things are changing. Plenty  of places that were OK for grapes 40years ago are NO GOOD now They are very heat sensitive.   Nev

[onetrack]

It's official. Perth has just had the driest 6 months ever recorded since European civilisation commenced, and weather records started around 150 years ago here.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-01/impact-of-perth-dry-spell-on-wa-water-supply-explained/103646216

 

 

[nomadpete]

8 hours ago, onetrack said:

It's official. Perth has just had the driest 6 months ever recorded since European civilisation commenced, and weather records started around 150 years ago here.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-01/impact-of-perth-dry-spell-on-wa-water-supply-explained/103646216

 

 

OK, I declare Onetrak a winner.

 

What can we compete for next?

[pmccarthy]

Civilisation never commenced in WA.

[facthunter]

It's ONLY DIRT till it's dug up. WA State of EX crement or eX citement or something. . The Freemantle Doctor will fix it.  If at first you don't Secede, Try Try again. Kalgoorlie is more Holey than Macca.  That must be a good spot to deserve all the water being pumped  to there? Does it  make HAY when the sun shines? It's BIG enough  to sort of get lost finding the railway station.. I managed it..  Nev

[old man emu]

All the weeping, gnashing of teeth and self-flagellation we do in Australia does nothing for air pollution and global warming when you see what is happening in the emerging countries of Asia. 

 

Just have a look at the first two minutes of this video while thinking about the environmental impact of the process of making an aluminium pressure cooker for domestic use. If you have the time you could watch through further of it to get an idea of conditions the employees work in to make the cooker. 

 

 

[nomadpete]

Would it help if I go down the paddock and chop down an old gum tree, to carve my new porridge bowl?

[nomadpete]

I don't  think I  can carve a pressure cooker.

[old man emu]

1 hour ago, nomadpete said:

Would it help if I go down the paddock and chop down an old gum tree, to carve my new porridge bowl?

Have you got the correct permit from your local Council and the EPA to undertake  such rampant deforestation?

[nomadpete]

20 minutes ago, old man emu said:

Have you got the correct permit from your local Council and the EPA to undertake  such rampant deforestation?

They'd never allow me to.

 

Deforestation is reserved for the state owned logging industry, so they can send those ugly untidy old growth forests overseas to be converted into pristine toilet paper.

[Marty_d]

3 hours ago, old man emu said:

All the weeping, gnashing of teeth and self-flagellation we do in Australia does nothing for air pollution and global warming when you see what is happening in the emerging countries of Asia. 

 

Just have a look at the first two minutes of this video while thinking about the environmental impact of the process of making an aluminium pressure cooker for domestic use. If you have the time you could watch through further of it to get an idea of conditions the employees work in to make the cooker. 

 

 

Poor bastards.  Imagine the injuries they're getting - even if they manage to avoid crush/cut injuries there's the repetitive motions, hearing loss, ingestion of gas and aluminium particles... and the soul destroying labouring at one task for a pittance.

[nomadpete]

At the end, most of the packaging workers were children. Also, apart from the primitive factory equipment and obvious inefficiencies,  I am amazed that it takes so many people to produce an item that probably only returns about $5 each item.

When it sells in myers for $99, the middle men get rich and the poor buggers that actually made it get sfa. (Like farming)