M61A1 Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 Jeremy being Tongue -in -cheek" about PC. . . .? ? ? ? ? Trust me on this,. . . . He is really serious. Trust me,. . . . He sends me personal emails, and thinks I'm worse than he is. . . . . . Phil ( PS,. . . his Auntie lives just around the corner from our house. . . .! ) Well, you tell Mr Clarkson that next time he's filming in Australia, he's welcome to stop in for a cuppa & a biscuit f he feels so inclined. My wife will probably even give a smoke if he wants one....but not in the house.
Marty_d Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 As I heard on RN yesterday morning... if they do give lifeboats to asylum seekers, who owns them? Where are they registered? Not a maritime expert, but I assume lifeboats share the registration of the vessel that carries them. Therefore aren't they travelling on an Australian Navy vessel? How can the Navy send its own vessel to a foreign country? Or do they transfer legal ownership to an asylum seeker? How? Force them to buy a lifeboat? Both major political parties are remarkably inhuman when it comes to this issue, but Abbott & Morrison have turned it into a farce. Not to mention they don't seem to mind that their ill-thought policies p*ss off the Indonesians no end.
Marty_d Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 I just have to share this. I'm listening to an interview with a very interesting (and brave) author about his research into the origins of Islam.http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/booksandartsdaily/4560962 Islam has much wisdom to offer, but Moslems should accept that it is not a perfect religion, should not be forced on anyone, nor should anyone die or kill in its name. Perhaps asking too much. Thanks OK - an interesting listen. I especially like the bit where there's nothing in the koran about stoning adulterers, so the islamic scholars say "there used to be a verse about that, but a goat ate it..." A bit like the old "my dog ate my homework" excuse!
dazza 38 Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 I couldn't care less if we Pi$$ off the Indonesians . The should keep there gobs shut if they want to keep receiving the hundreds of millions of dollars we give them in aid each year.
turboplanner Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 As I heard on RN yesterday morning... if they do give lifeboats to asylum seekers, who owns them? Where are they registered? Not a maritime expert, but I assume lifeboats share the registration of the vessel that carries them. Therefore aren't they travelling on an Australian Navy vessel? How can the Navy send its own vessel to a foreign country? Or do they transfer legal ownership to an asylum seeker? How? Force them to buy a lifeboat? Both major political parties are remarkably inhuman when it comes to this issue, but Abbott & Morrison have turned it into a farce. Not to mention they don't seem to mind that their ill-thought policies p*ss off the Indonesians no end. Since we have not been told what the exact circumstances were, we don't know enough to make comments. If you recall, the same people were accused of murdering people when refugees were drowning in unseaworthy boats. As to the feelings of the Indonesians following recent bilateral talks on the subeject, we're not hearing much from them either. One of the more interesting and amusing side to this is that the allegedly senile and out of balance Rupert, who only ever attacks the innocent socialists appears to be leading the charge to stir up fires with the above talk.
Gnarly Gnu Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 Islam has much wisdom to offer, but Moslems should accept that it is not a perfect religion, should not be forced on anyone, nor should anyone die or kill in its name. Perhaps asking too much. Yeah, perhaps. The 'wisdom of Islam' as you call it is that Islam is the one and perfect religion which is to be offered to all mankind (Da'wah). Those that refuse to accept Islam are the vilest of creatures and must be killed (Koran 2:193, 8:39 etc). According to the Koran the only way for a Moslem to be assured they are definitely going to paradise is to kill or be killed in holy war and those Moslems that refuse to fight in jihad are damned (2:216, 3:157 etc). So what you really want is for them to drop their religion, I agree with this sentiment and wish you good luck with that.
fly_tornado Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 Goodness me look at the time, it's cherry picking the qur'an time already?
fly_tornado Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 As I heard on RN yesterday morning... if they do give lifeboats to asylum seekers, who owns them? Where are they registered? Not a maritime expert, but I assume lifeboats share the registration of the vessel that carries them. Therefore aren't they travelling on an Australian Navy vessel? How can the Navy send its own vessel to a foreign country? Or do they transfer legal ownership to an asylum seeker? How? Force them to buy a lifeboat? Both major political parties are remarkably inhuman when it comes to this issue, but Abbott & Morrison have turned it into a farce. Not to mention they don't seem to mind that their ill-thought policies p*ss off the Indonesians no end. Mad Dog Morrison can't comment on "on water matters", technically we sort this ownership issue out when the lifeboats arrive in Darwin
turboplanner Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 Now we have a Minister of the Crown described as "Mad Dog"
Marty_d Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 Yeah, perhaps. The 'wisdom of Islam' as you call it is that Islam is the one and perfect religion which is to be offered to all mankind (Da'wah). Those that refuse to accept Islam are the vilest of creatures and must be killed (Koran 2:193, 8:39 etc). According to the Koran the only way for a Moslem to be assured they are definitely going to paradise is to kill or be killed in holy war and those Moslems that refuse to fight in jihad are damned (2:216, 3:157 etc). So what you really want is for them to drop their religion, I agree with this sentiment and wish you good luck with that. Most religions have tracts that exhort people to murder in the name of their god - I seem to remember the bible has a few things to say about what should be done with witches, gays etc... not to mention god supposedly killing all the firstborn sons in Egypt, which ranks high above Hitler for pure evil (or would if it were true). Now we have a Minister of the Crown described as "Mad Dog" So what? Abbott has been called the "Mad Monk" for years. Is it ok to have the former PM called "Ju-liar" but anyone in the current government is off limit?
fly_tornado Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 My goodness look at the time, is it pious hypocrisy time already?
turboplanner Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 The behaviour of some members of the public, unfortunately represented also on this site, has become disgusting in recent years, and no, no one on any side of our governments should be subjected to it. If you spoke to their families you would be shocked at the impact is has on the wives and children
fly_tornado Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 I tell a lot of conservatives, the internet is no place for you. Stick to 2GB and Alan Jones and other sympathetic voices.
Old Koreelah Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 ...Those that refuse to accept Islam are the vilest of creatures and must be killed (Koran 2:193, 8:39 etc). According to the Koran the only way for a Moslem to be assured they are definitely going to paradise is to kill or be killed in holy war and those Moslems that refuse to fight in jihad are damned (2:216, 3:157 etc). If this is true, then it should be part of the conversation. A properly informed electorate is pretty important.
Gnarly Gnu Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 Most religions have tracts that exhort people to murder in the name of their god Even without knowing the doctrinal details most folk are smart enough to figure out this is claim, although fairly commonly made by leftist atheists, is manifestly false based on the evidence before them. One religion seems to be doing 99% of the killing Marty, day in and day out the tally keeps rising. The last 30 days toll is here. See the cultures of all countries are shaped by religion and in the countries where Islam dominates there is no lasting peace.
Marty_d Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 Even without knowing the doctrinal details most folk are smart enough to figure out this is claim, although fairly commonly made by leftist atheists, is manifestly false based on the evidence before them. One religion seems to be doing 99% of the killing Marty, day in and day out the tally keeps rising. The last 30 days toll is here. See the cultures of all countries are shaped by religion and in the countries where Islam dominates there is no lasting peace. Oh I don't know Gnu, 2 Chronicles 15:13 seems pretty clear. "That whosoever would not seek the Lord God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." I'm more of a centrist atheist by the way. Slightly left leaning perhaps.
fly_tornado Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 lets not forget the 100,000s killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Bush doctrine was a significant stimulator of a lot of middle east conflict. And of course the 50,000 US citizens injured by gun violence every year are predominately CHRISTIAN.
Gnarly Gnu Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 Yes indeed, Christians and in particular black US gang-bangers are reading up Chronicles in their bible study and going out to kill crying "Jesus akbar!". Whatever floats your boat I guess. Marty if you were serious you would read the whole passage and immediately see that this was a decision that Asa and his people came to and is not a biblical command at all. I suggest you simply don't like the Bible as it offends your own religion which is secular humanism. That's fine, your choice but why not live in an Atheist country if you feel strongly about this stuff? Or a Moslem country if you really believe all these cultures and religions are equal? They're pretty tolerant of Atheists no?
dazza 38 Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 I will confess, I have never bothered reading the bible or the Koran. Why would I, it is quite obvious that we have evolved through evolution. Peeps who don't believe in that are kidding themselves . Religion is responsible for more deaths that any war etc . Now having said this , we lived in a married quarter in Ipswich Qld that was haunted, I mean footsteps up and down the hall way and internal stairs at night. I mean as plane as day. The scariest think was my dogs going ape $hit and barking at something or somebody that wasn't there when we were watching TV in the lounge room. The hair used to stand up on the back of their spines , as they went off barking at a vacant space, and their eyes would track someone or something as it crossed the room, that was the scariest bit. Anyway each to their own , I know that most people will write this off but I will tell you something , I was glad the glad to get the fark out of the joint.
Marty_d Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 I do live in a secular country Gnu, it's called Australia. There is freedom for anyone to practise their religion, or lack of it, as long as it doesn't contravene the laws of the land or impinge on the freedoms of others. This is not a christian country or a muslim country. Yes there are more radicalised and violent muslims out there than christians. Even so you are far more likely to die from heart disease, or a car accident, or even falling off a horse than you are from a bomb-wearing jihadist with untrimmed facial hair. My point was that your holy book exhorts murder as well, and if you don't like that verse, how about Exodus 22:17 or most of Leviticus 20/21? Anyway that's all I'm going to say on the topic. If you stick to the good bits of your book, muslims stick to the good bits of theirs, and I as one of those disgusting secular humanists practise tolerance, common sense and making up my own mind about things, we'll all be fine.
Gnarly Gnu Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 Besides Atheism has killed more people than religions have - reflect on the triumph of Cuba, Communist China, the USSR, North Korea etc all led by famous atheists with tens of millions left dead. The most dangerous faith one could say. On topic, some good news, I think Scott Morrison is doing an outstanding job: "....no one arriving by boat had been "transferred to Australian immigration authorities" in the past week. With no arrivals for more than three weeks, compared with 419 for the same period last year, Mr Morrison said people-smugglers were unable to trade with any success.The Australian revealed yesterday that as many as five boats had been turned or towed back to Indonesia over the past month."
turboplanner Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 This is the Minister's Press Release backing up the information provided by Gnarly Gnu "No illegal boat arrivals for more than three weeks Friday, 10 January 2014 Once again, there have been no persons transferred to Australian immigration authorities during the past reporting week under Operation Sovereign Borders, who arrived in Australia illegally by boat. It has been more than three weeks since the last group of illegal maritime arrivals were transferred to immigration authorities by Border Protection Command. While January is traditionally a quieter period of arrivals, the strong policies being implemented by the government mean that people smugglers are being denied the ability to ply their trade with any success. During the same period last year 419 people illegally arrived and in the two previous years there were 278 and 271 arrivals respectively. This year, none have been successful during this period. The latest weekly report on Operation Sovereign Borders is attached detailing such transfers, as well the number of persons transferred to our offshore processing centres and the population at those centres as well as Christmas Island. For operational security reasons, the government does not confirm or otherwise comment on reports of on-water activities in relation to Operation Sovereign Borders or disclose details of any operations. People smugglers have used official commentary on such matters to make dangerous assumptions about our maritime operations, which puts people at risk. The government's policy of no public comment on operational matters is based on the advice of border protection agency and operational leaders to protect the security of our operations and to ensure that they can be conducted with maximum safety and effectiveness for all involved. The government considers the illegal entry of boats to Australia as a significant affront to our sovereignty. The government will continue to take all steps necessary to stop the boats consistent with our commitments to the Australian people and to work with our partners wherever possible to achieve this result. The government has a strong mandate from the Australian people to restore the policies that worked under the Howard Government to stop the boats that were abolished by Labor and the Greens. Any suggestion that the government is doing anything other than acting on our long held policies and commitments, as claimed by the Leader of the Opposition, is ignorant and desperate. We will not be following Labor's failed approach that allowed more than 50 000 people to turn up on over 800 boats and in excess of 1100 people dead. We are restoring control over our borders that was surrendered under Labor. It is not the policy or practice of the Australian Government to violate Indonesian territorial sovereignty. Any suggestion that the government has acted contrary to this policy is false. Australia respects Indonesia's territorial sovereignty and will continue to do so, just as Indonesia has stated it respects Australia's territorial sovereignty. I also stress that personnel involved in Border Protection operations associated with Operation Sovereign Borders conduct their roles with the highest levels of professionalism, integrity and personal courage in extremely trying and challenging circumstances. Actions and activities are undertaken consistent with Australian domestic law and Australia's obligations under international law. Additionally, in the interests of preserving operational security, and to maintain the safety of any person within Border Protection Command's care, the procedures and techniques used to effect maritime security operations are not disclosed." See: Index of Media Releases URL:http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/media/sm/2014/sm210747.htm Last update: Friday, 10 January 2014 at 14:57 AEST
fly_tornado Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 3 weeks and declaring victory. Premature?
turboplanner Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 There's no declaration of victory there FT.
facthunter Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 Atheism cannot be a FAITH let alone a dangerous one. An atheist is someone with no INVISIBLE means of support. Nev
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