fly_tornado Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 look its already starting... the LNP are getting on with business, if that business is bleeding money from people's nest eggs. https://newmatilda.com/2014/01/13/holiday-rort-courtesy-coalition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methusala Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Ian McCawley often writes very informative stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 look its already starting... the LNP are getting on with business, if that business is bleeding money from people's nest eggs. https://newmatilda.com/2014/01/13/holiday-rort-courtesy-coalition The LNP giving breaks to rich businesses while removing protections from the average person? You must be kidding, right? I also heard they were planning to roll back the post-GFC regulations that ensured banks only lent money to people who had the capacity to repay it. As I recall, that's what started the GFC... And leading up to the election the LNP were loudly trumpeting their "economic credentials". What a joke! Did anybody actually fall for that... oh, yeah, they must have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 He's that rare person, a fascist - communist, or whatever make the best troll at the time You can get your bludging hands out of my pockets for a start FT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I'm happy to help advise you on the best option for your super Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 The LNP giving breaks to rich businesses while removing protections from the average person? You must be kidding, right? The Liberal Party philospohy is to keep kick starting new businesses because that's the best way of creating wealth which is then used to employ millions of people - the gold rush principle, where the miners rushed in and thousands came afterwards to make money supplying miners and camps became big cities like Ballarat and Bendigo. The average Australian has not had protections systematically removed by the Liberal Party or the Nationals, but is better off than most people in the world. I also heard they were planning to roll back the post-GFC regulations that ensured banks only lent money to people who had the capacity to repay it. As I recall, that's what started the GFC... Australian credit laws were fine; our industries suffered, and in some cases are still badly suffering, the knock-on effect from actions taken by a very small group of people in the United States who started lending money to people who DEMONSTRABLY had no means of paying it back. The rights and wrongs or that and the people who had the oversight and the people who should be charged and convicted, is a matter for United States forums. There is nothing to roll back here, we are fine. And leading up to the election the LNP were loudly trumpeting their "economic credentials". What a joke! Did anybody actually fall for that... oh, yeah, they must have. I already quoted the Parliamentary Agenda which was announced by the Governor General and not Rubert Murdoch, and there are equally non-partisan financial statistics for you to study as well if you are seriously concerned . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planedriver Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Just wondering out of curiosity FT. Do you have a real job, other than stirring the pot with detrimental comments for so much of the day? I'm sure a few on here, like me, are curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Yes I do, self employed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Do you have parents and grand parents or are you from another planet where there are no families to relate to?. IF you get beat up in a club and are invalided would you still talk as you do.? I doubt it. There are civilised ways that keep a society strong collectively, more needed in harsh environments. If you can just pick fruit from low trees the" I'M OK" might work (for you). Another test for a good or acceptable idea. IF it was it done to ME (meaning YOU), would it be OK? Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 What can I say, I enjoy the extreme views of the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methusala Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 You can see here the world view of crypto-fascist, extreme capitalist types who blythely disregard any/all real facts on the political economy because it serves their creed (hint: I'm alright Jack!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I love Wyatt Roy, at 23, after never worked a day in his life wanting to raise the pension age to 70. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winsor68 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 It would only be appropriate if they DID vote for the ALP, given that it was the ALP that brought in the National Disability Insurance Scheme. And its the LNP who kicked it right back out the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Communications Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 See what you started Phil back in post #1..........load that starters gun...pull the trigger and we are off and racing the steeple chase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I love how the coalition sell the changes The assistant treasurer, Arthur Sinodinos, announced that "consistent with the Coalition's election commitment to reduce compliance costs for small business, financial advisors and consumers," the legislation would be "improved". Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-fee-we-pay-when-we-dont-know-were-paying-a-fee-20140111-30ndn.html#ixzz2qFpXpGBz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Communications Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I love Wyatt Roy, at 23, after never worked a day in his life wanting to raise the pension age to 70. Hey careful FT...... Wyatt Roy is my local member He is actually a go getter he spends 2 days every week on street corners talking to the public listening to their gripes...whether it actually gets anything done I am not sure but at least he appears in his electorate and anyone can go and see him...be it to praise him or poke him....more than most pollies do anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 My 2 cents worth IRT putting young dole people into the arm forces. I spent just over 10 years in the RAAF and I can honestly say that forcing people into the defence force wont work. It costs a lot of money to train individuals,(especially aircraft trades) we only want to train people who wanted to be there and are dedicated. Cant speak for the Navy or Army but I'm guessing they would be thinking the same as me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Comes down to money, it costs about $16k to have someone sitting at home on the dole versus $60-80K to have them running around playing soldiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 We have plenty of welfare-dependent people (far fewer than some countries) but most lack the skills employers want. What I think is missing is not so much the "skill", but more the desire to get off your arxe and work for a living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 The world has changed. There are no longer masses of unskilled jobs available. Who wants 300 people with shovels and pick-axes making roads when excavators and bulldozers do it far quicker and without workplace injuries?. There are truckloads of jobs requiring minimal or easily learned skills, we have just made life difficult by requiring even the dumbest of jobs to require some sort of certificate. For example, I was stunned to find that my lazy ex-wife (who never kept a clean house BTW), worked as a cleaner and had a Cert-something in domestic cleaning. What crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Comes down to money, it costs about $16k to have someone sitting at home on the dole versus $60-80K to have them running around playing soldiers. 16K is only the start....factor in all the other perks & freebies, I reckon you'll end up with not much in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 My 2 cents worth IRT putting young dole people into the arm forces. I spent just over 10 years in the RAAF and I can honestly say that forcing people into the defence force wont work. It costs a lot of money to train individuals,(especially aircraft trades) we only want to train people who wanted to be there and are dedicated. Cant speak for the Navy or Army but I'm guessing they would be thinking the same as me. They don't need to be put into tech trades, they could be used for logistics and disaster relief, put the highly trained ones in charge. The main benefits I see would be that they would then be in a disciplined environment, where if you don't show up 2 guys show up and stick you in the slots. Better to pay them for doing something, than money for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 16K is only the start....factor in all the other perks & freebies, I reckon you'll end up with not much in it. What freebies? A health care card? Each asylum seeker is costing $500k a year. Costing tax payers $1.2B a year for offshore processing and 93% of asylum seekers end up being legitimate refugees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Communications Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 They do FT?….mmmm seems to me not too many true refugees can afford the US$20,000 for the boat ride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winsor68 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 They do FT?….mmmm seems to me not too many true refugees can afford the US$20,000 for the boat ride Since win did having some money have anything to do with seeking Asylum...???? Seriously...was it an wrong assumption and the logic gene is missing or did the newspaper say it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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