M61A1 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 But you object to the idea of someone having strong religious views No, I object to people having those views forced on them, especially children. Our government is supposed to be secular, this benefits all religion. You may have strong religious views, that's your right, but I have the right to question and disregard those same views, but not discriminate against you. Should I be discriminated against for not sharing your views, expect some problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Whose child was it? Well it certainly wasn't the "son of god". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 No, I object to people having those views forced on them, especially children.Our government is supposed to be secular, this benefits all religion. You may have strong religious views, that's your right, but I have the right to question and disregard those same views, but not discriminate against you. Should I be discriminated against for not sharing your views, expect some problems. Coalition's plan to rewrite school's curriculum is exactly that. Brainwash our kids with right wing propaganda. They want to defund public schools to force kids into private schools with the right moral bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teckair Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Teckair, I am sorry for the post. Only those involved have the right to pass judgement. Don That's OK, that system can go badly wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teckair Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 After 19 years of it I'm finally out of their system, but there are many just starting their long journey of government sanctioned financial and psychological abuse. I've heard many horror stories about CSA, mine is mild compared to some, I saw stats somewhere claiming that around 5% of Australian CSA payers end up committing suicide, it would not surprise me if that were accurate. There was one case where the CSA was ripping money out of a father and giving it to the mother while she was in jail for killing the children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 There was one case where the CSA was ripping money out of a father and giving it to the mother while she was in jail for killing the children. Check out the Liam McGill case, paid years of CS to a woman for kids that weren't his, took it to court, won his case, CSA appealed, 10's of thousands later, no refunds, and hit with CSA's legal bill. http://www.australianpaternityfraud.org/news_magill.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Coalition's plan to rewrite school's curriculum is exactly that. Brainwash our kids with right wing propaganda. They want to defund public schools to force kids into private schools with the right moral bias. Find and read a book called "Australian Atheism", it details how much Gillard was spending on keeping the religious happy. A good read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australian-breach-of-indonesian-territorial-waters-angers-jakarta-20140117-310kk.html http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/julie-bishop-apologises-to-indonesia-over-breach-of-territorial-waters-20140118-311eb.html after the asse kissing comes the cheque book http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/15/coalition-offers-indonesia-extra-money-to-halt-flow-of-asylum-seekers Already giving Indonesia $40M a year to re home refugees, I guess the Indonesians know Abbott will pay well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalman Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australian-breach-of-indonesian-territorial-waters-angers-jakarta-20140117-310kk.html http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/julie-bishop-apologises-to-indonesia-over-breach-of-territorial-waters-20140118-311eb.html after the asse kissing comes the cheque book http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/15/coalition-offers-indonesia-extra-money-to-halt-flow-of-asylum-seekers Already giving Indonesia $40M a year to re home refugees, I guess the Indonesians know Abbott will pay well What I find astounding is that a minority of "Australians " appear more concerned with Indonesia's sovereignty than Australia's ,they cry out how in humane it all is , but applaud the government that allowed hundreds to die at sea, they find great pleasure in problems with destroying the people smuggling racket, do you actually want a criminal trade in people to prosper, it's a good thing to stop the illegal entry into our country, and at the same time dismantle a disgusting industry that has had a free run for the last six years. But from some opinions if it was the ALP doing it ,fine, cause they were awesome! But heaven forbid the other lot actually doing what they said they would, yeh, I know it's a bit different to what we've been getting, but it could be a good thing,,,,actually doing something other than press conferences ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methusala Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I strongly object to language that implies that people who hold contrary views to some posters on this thread are somehow not Australian. Keep the language clean and rely on force of argument and not slimy, tainted insults if you wish to be regarded as an equal. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Metalman: I am just saying what we have all known all along, you can't do it legally. Neither pro or anti Indonesia. You'd be pooing in your cornflakes if the ALP had done something so stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winsor68 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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M61A1 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I look forward to reaching the "RED" zone. We won't have to do many, but I'll bet they stop coming pretty quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 the LNP aren't that stupid, although I expect the Indonesians will milk this for every penny they can get out of Australia. Indonesian navy is deploying 3 ships to enforce their border, which will mean that the boats could legally get an escort to xmas island Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalman Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I strongly object to language that implies that people who hold contrary views to some posters on this thread are somehow not Australian. Keep the language clean and rely on force of argument and not slimy, tainted insults if you wish to be regarded as an equal. Don Really mate, I've been called everything from a bigot to a racist, a moron who has been tricked into voting a certain way, I've been accused of putting my kids in danger because I have the guts to say if something is wrong, so if .in my opinion, I think someone is verging on traitorous to their own country by taking pleasure in some shitty corrupt Islamic state treating us , as Australians , like we are a bunch of gullible fools, then I will say it without apology, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalman Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Metalman: I am just saying what we have all known all along, you can't do it legally. Neither pro or anti Indonesia. You'd be pooing in your cornflakes if the ALP had done something so stupid. Not at all, I've voted both ways over the years , but after the last six years of passion fingers Gillard n Rudd , I wouldn't want to endure any more, as for legal, there's a lot of hot air from the UN, but they've yet to say what it is we are doing illegal, as for it being stupid, having hundreds die at sea is pretty damn stupid I'd say , and having the Indonesians squawking about their sovereignty while they treat our country like crap should make your blood boil, but as it appears you'd rather post witty little comics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeptic36 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I strongly object to language that implies that people who hold contrary views to some posters on this thread are somehow not Australian. Keep the language clean and rely on force of argument and not slimy, tainted insults if you wish to be regarded as an equal. Don Seriously Windsor68, you gave this post an agree after your post #474, and you Methusala thought post 474 was funny, which way do you want it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalman Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I agree whole heartedly, and as long as we keep with the truth I guess we'll annoy people ,it's not always easy but some things have to be said,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 No, I object to people having those views forced on them, especially children.Our government is supposed to be secular, this benefits all religion. You may have strong religious views, that's your right, but I have the right to question and disregard those same views, but not discriminate against you. Should I be discriminated against for not sharing your views, expect some problems. M61A1, I think FT is being a bit tongue-in-cheek... subtle I know, but I don't think he's about to don the short-sleeved white shirt with tie and bicycle from door to door with a bible and earnest expression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalman Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-21/nine-bodies-found-after-asylum-seeker-shipwreck/3742470 http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/dozens-feared-dead-in-christmas-island-asylum-seeker-boat-crash/story-e6frg6n6-1225971549420 http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/12/22/bodies-more-shipwrecked-asylum-seekers-found-bali.html http://www.voanews.com/content/no-new-survivors-in-asylum-seeker-boat-wreck-off-australian-island-112006419/166770.html http://www.theage.com.au/national/asylum-tragedy-dozens-die-20111101-1mu08.html I applaud any government for trying to stop this stuff from happening, the only reason the ALP dropped the ball was to show how "humane" they were in comparison to the "evil" Howard government, well, they left behind a trail of death and destruction ,shattered lives ,and political damage between two countries, so if anyone wants to defend that ,you should expect to cop a bit of flak ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 What I find astounding is that a minority of "Australians " appear more concerned with Indonesia's sovereignty than Australia's ,they cry out how in humane it all is , but applaud the government that allowed hundreds to die at sea, they find great pleasure in problems with destroying the people smuggling racket, do you actually want a criminal trade in people to prosper, it's a good thing to stop the illegal entry into our country, and at the same time dismantle a disgusting industry that has had a free run for the last six years. But from some opinions if it was the ALP doing it ,fine, cause they were awesome! But heaven forbid the other lot actually doing what they said they would, yeh, I know it's a bit different to what we've been getting, but it could be a good thing,,,,actually doing something other than press conferences ! So if Indonesian warships started crossing into Australian territorial waters with no permission from Australian authorities, you wouldn't have a problem with that? I hear Mad Dog admitted that the Navy has "accidentally" entered Indonesia's territorial waters... several times. I'd have thought those big warships would have GPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalman Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 So if Indonesian warships started crossing into Australian territorial waters with no permission from Australian authorities, you wouldn't have a problem with that? I hear Mad Dog admitted that the Navy has "accidentally" entered Indonesia's territorial waters... several times. I'd have thought those big warships would have GPS. Smoke and mirrors again, the only relevance here is that , as a country, we seem to be apologising to a country that has consistently disregarded our borders for years, otherwise , I don't know the operational procedures for battleships nor do I care, this thread is about Indonesia and the ALP supporting a criminal activity and how ,it seems, every minor setback the government has in stopping these bastards from continuing is suddenly a big victory for the so called "human rights" brigade, I wonder how the families of those dead at sea feel about the way they're fleeced, loaded, and dumped by the Indonesian supported people smuggling business only to have the watermelon crew crying about minor details , if the ALP/green circus truly cared about the people rather than scoring political points they would've done more to stop the smugglers rather than create an environment conducive to their trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teckair Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 So if Indonesian warships started crossing into Australian territorial waters with no permission from Australian authorities, you wouldn't have a problem with that?. If Australia was behaving as Indonesia is not only would I not have a problem with it but I would expect it. Indonesia is treating Australia like a dumping ground, it is about time they got their act together, Australia has been very patient so far I would not expect that to last forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Boats have travelled from Indonesia to Australia for thousand years, only a fool would believe that tony abbott can stop that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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